Caught speeding - first offence

Happychappy

It looks like it was just a Vascar check, so yes the officer will give evidence either of what marks he/she used for the check I.e. Putting the vehicles on and off, or if a following check of both the time and distances toggles being used at the same time, to give the time and distance.

The vehicle speedometer is calibrated and issued with a calibration certificate, likewise the officer will give evidence of checking the Vascar unit prior to, and at the end of the shift, normally over a fixed and calibrated half mile or one mile, the error is something like 0.2mph, so either cough up, or plead not out and waste the courts time. Best of luck

Spicy_McHaggis

Happychappy wrote: »

It looks like it was just a Vascar check, so yes the officer will give evidence either of what marks he/she used for the check I.e. Putting the vehicles on and off, or if a following check of both the time and distances toggles being used at the same time, to give the time and distance.

The vehicle speedometer is calibrated and issued with a calibration certificate, likewise the officer will give evidence of checking the Vascar unit prior to, and at the end of the shift, normally over a fixed and calibrated half mile or one mile, the error is something like 0.2mph, so either cough up, or plead not out and waste the courts time. Best of luck

Toggles on vascar, that's an old piece of kit. There's a button to do both now.
There's no need to evidence testing before the device was used unless they went out with the sole intent to do speed enforcement.

Out of interest why are volvos not fitted with an irs speedo?

whitecloud663

BeenThroughItAll wrote: »

Done the crime, do the time. It's 3 points, who cares?


It'll have close to zero effect on your life, so just move on. Just don't collect loads more points and you'll be fine.

+1. Cut your losses and move on. Life is too short pondering on small issues such as these. Live and learn

dearlouise

20mph over the speed limit... and you're complaining about 3 points? Go to court & annoy the magistrate with your whining, you'll probably come out with 6 & £250 for wasting their time.

Man up and accept the sanction. You did the crime!

Happychappy

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

Toggles on vascar, that's an old piece of kit. There's a button to do both now.
There's no need to evidence testing before the device was used unless they went out with the sole intent to do speed enforcement.

Out of interest why are volvos not fitted with an irs speedo?

Toggles or buttons, depends on the age old is still best, yes the single button/toggle has been around for some time

IRS are used by mainly midlands based forces as they are Nott's based, but most RPU (traffic) cars have calibrated speedometers, whereas the section cars are not.

Best practise has always been to check calibration before and after a shift, but not always done. Many years experience shows it is easier to get in the habit of checking, and helps show the Magistrates everything was hunkydory :eek: I suppose it depends where the nearest calibrated distance check is, and whether the role of the car is for RPU or the brave boys

Spicy_McHaggis

Happychappy wrote: »

Toggles or buttons, depends on the age old is still best, yes the single button/toggle has been around for some time

IRS are used by mainly midlands based forces as they are Nott's based, but most RPU (traffic) cars have calibrated speedometers, whereas the section cars are not.

Best practise has always been to check calibration before and after a shift, but not always done. Many years experience shows it is easier to get in the habit of checking, and helps show the Magistrates everything was hunkydory :eek: I suppose it depends where the nearest calibrated distance check is, and whether the role of the car is for RPU or the brave boys

Old is best if only the public knew a close peg was used to operate the two switches simultaneously.

I don't know why you'd feel the need to calibrate something daily that has a two week calibration window. Unless of course you have a new set of tyres fitted before each tour.

harveybobbles

The fact the OP refered to the outside lane as "the fast" lane is a clear indicator of how stupid they are.

Take the points.

Pay the fine.

Spicy_McHaggis

harveybobbles wrote: »

The fact the OP refered to the outside lane as "the fast" lane is a clear indicator of how stupid they are.

Take the points.

Pay the fine.

Maybe if he'd have stuck to lane 1 "the lorry lane" he'd be ok.

Yorkie1

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

Speeding still needs a nip wether you're stopped at the time or not and as far as I know being told a likely outcome ie three points and a fine isn't a nip.
He made no mention of being served with the paperwork at the time or have I missed that?

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

Should have been issued.

You are wrong.

Section 1 RTOA 1988 says for speeding any one of the following 3 must exist before a conviction may occur:

- a warning was issued that a speeding offence would be considered (this does not have to be in writing, and is what OP says he was told at the time);
- summons served within 14 days; or
- a notice of intended prosecution is served within 14 days.

There is no need by law for a formal NIP to be issued at the scene because the verbal warning suffices under s.1(1)(a).

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/53/section/1

dearlouise wrote: »

20mph over the speed limit... and you're complaining about 3 points? Go to court & annoy the magistrate with your whining, you'll probably come out with 6 & £250 for wasting their time.

Man up and accept the sanction. You did the crime!

If he was doing 90 mph it would be a Band A fine & 3 pp. If it was 91-100mph, then Band B fine and either 4-6 pp or disqualify 7-28 days (sentencing guidelines).

aardvaak

Aretnap wrote: »

Speed awareness courses are generally offered at speeds of up to 10%+9mph over the limit - ie up to 86mph on a motorway. Your speed was higher than that which is why you weren't offered one. If you're caught again you'll be eligible for one, so long as your speed is lower than the threshold.[/QUO

I was recently told there is a min. that you can not do the course ie 34 in a 30mph limit