Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

Gosh do you always believe Cameron (presumably comes from always believing the SNP)

No. But other people did. Peterhead at the current time ( since oil sector jobs are being shed ) could've done with the investment.

but back to the substantive point : do you think scotland has special skills, knowledge etc in carbon capture research and technology when the entire world has failed to succeed?

Being a very small country you won't have the financial muscle to research/develop many technologies so it makes no sense to spend your limited funds where you have no special advantages.

Do you never read the pertinent details ?

Two projects had been in the running to build plants demonstrating CCS at commercial scale.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Time to move away from oil, and start afresh.

Geothermal power from Iceland. All it requires is cabling.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

of course an independent scotland will slash spending and start saving
which part of the SNP manifesto did I miss?

The next SNP manifesto will include an option for a possible future referendum on independence. Not a manifesto on independence itself.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No. But other people did. Peterhead at the current time ( since oil sector jobs are being shed ) could've done with the investment.



Do you never read the pertinent details ?

so you are saying that iScotland would have invested its limited funds in this untried technology where private enterprise and the rest of the world (including Westminster) chose not to?

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Geothermal power from Iceland. All it requires is cabling.

I've seen that put forward a lot over the last few years.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The next SNP manifesto will include an option for a possible future referendum on independence. Not a manifesto on independence itself.

so that answer is that an Iscotland wouldn't actually build a sovereign fund or concentrate on (real) investment, but would concentrate its money of increasing benefits and just borrow borrow borrow.

and of course, the SNP manifesto wouldn't actually say that

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

so you are saying that iScotland would have invested its limited funds in this untried technology where private enterprise and the rest of the world (including Westminster) chose not to?

I'd say that the SNP as a party and in government are far more likely to invest in future commercial technologies such as the below, than Westminster is. And so it has proved.

...following the announcement by UK Energy Secretary Amber Rudd that coal plants will be phased out in favour of gas plants over the next ten years.The Peterhead carbon capture and storage project remains in the bidding for funding as part of the UK Government’s £1 billion CCS commercialisation programme.

The Peterhead CCS project – a collaboration between Shell and SSE – is the world’s first full-scale gas CCS project. The project was given planning permission in June and final investment decisions on the project are expected early in 2016 and the project aims to be operational in 2018-19.

http://www.scottishenergynews.com/snp-asks-uk-energy-minister-for-answers-on-peterhead-carbon-capture-project/

Cancelled.

The White Paper's greatest value is not to answer all possible questions: the outcome of any election is uncertain and a referendum is no different. What it does do is highlight the kinds of choices open to Scots which are currently out of their reach reserved by Westminster.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/ric-lander/green-in-snp-white-paper

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'd say that the SNP as a party and in government are far more likely to invest in future commercial technologies such as the below, than Westminster is. And so it has proved.

http://www.scottishenergynews.com/snp-asks-uk-energy-minister-for-answers-on-peterhead-carbon-capture-project/

Cancelled.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/ric-lander/green-in-snp-white-paper

how much do you think the SNP will invest in unproven technology : lets face it if it were commercial viable private industry would already have done it.

remember that investment money will be competing with wind and wave power handouts, council housing, 'free' uni for the super-rich etc : which would you choose with your limited borrowed money?

so NO, the likelihood outside the UK is virtually zero.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No. I don't feel a fool. Pointing out that there is much more to the Scottish economy than oil prices is never foolish. It's factual.

Time to move away from oil, and start afresh. Something that can never hope to happen under the union. You may see oil prices as 'the' defining reason as to why Scotland could never hope to achieve independence. However, the other side of the coin is that other's see independence as an opportunity to get away from 'over reliance' on oil prices and an example of just how very badly the union has used Scottish natural resources over decades. Capiche ?

You state only one side of the debate. Below is a good example of the other. ( article too long to quote in full ).

http://derekbateman.co.uk/2016/01/14/my-inner-inventive-scot/

Time to move away from oil! How are you planning on filling the gap in the meantime bearing in mind that according to the report you raised it's 16% of Scottish GDP?

All you are doing is making my point for me here: an independent Scotland isn't viable.as things stand and it's pretty much the current Scotland that the SNP wanted to be independent. Scotland would have faced decades of grinding poverty had Yes won.

Once again you fall back to this ridiculous position that there has been lots of money gained by Scottish oil over the last 40 years. Unfortunately that doesn't matter a jot if you're looking to pay next year's bills.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

how much do you think the SNP will invest in unproven technology : lets face it if it were commercial viable private industry would already have done it.

remember that investment money will be competing with wind and wave power handouts, council housing, 'free' uni for the super-rich etc : which would you choose with your limited borrowed money?

so NO, the likelihood outside the UK is virtually zero.

They're doing ok so far with the limited powers they have. There's a lot of people would welcome SNP policy over Conservative policy throughout the UK. Scotland does indeed though have massive potentials in renewables. Unlikely ever to be realised which projects get cancelled, subsidies are cut. Westminster instead preferring to keep Scotland 'over reliant' on oil prices long term until it runs out. More crowing and mileage out of the 'subsidy junkie' stuff that way you see. But is short sighted imo. And I'm not even a massive 'green' either.

Energy group hails Scotland’s renewables policy

The head of Spanish energy group Iberdrola has called Scotland an “example to the world” of how high carbon prices and government support for renewable energy can reduce reliance on fossil fuels.

....There has been a sharp divergence in attitudes to renewable energy between the UK and Scottish governments since the general election in May.

...Scottish Power is a big renewables developer and Mr Galan said that since the turn of the century, Scotland had shifted from a “coal-based economy to a renewables one”. He credited Scottish government policies promoting development of low-carbon technologies and public support for renewables in Scotland, combined with the UK’s high price of carbon.

Electricity generation from renewables was equivalent to half of Scotland’s consumption in 2014, compared with just 12 per cent in 2000.

...Many countries would find it difficult to emulate Scotland, which has large areas of windy but economically marginal terrain and which can rely on the UK-wide power grid to smooth fluctuations in renewable generation.
Mr Galan said greater interconnection and more sophisticated grids allowed greater use of renewables, but that big improvements in energy storage would also be required. “For this, hydro pump storage — in which Scotland has a great potential — is the only efficient technology that can be implemented massively as of today,” he said.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a6da9c8e-9c0c-11e5-8ce1-f6219b685d74.html#axzz3xEqcTVm1