Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

And while we're on the topic of "complacency bordering on arrogance"...

AN SNP backbencher has been criticised for making "inaccurate and offensive" claims that the North Sea oil industry is "booming" and denying that the north east faces a jobs crisis.

Dennis Robertson, the Aberdeenshire West MSP, made the comments after the Scottish Labour leader, Kezia Dugdale, accused the SNP of not doing enough to help oil workers who have lost their jobs over the past 12 months during a speech at Holyrood.

Mr Robertson intervened to state: "The member just mentioned a crisis in the jobs in the North Sea and oil. There is no crisis. We have just actually extracted more oil than ever before in the North Sea. We have the most skilled workforce in the North Sea and it is booming."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14183367._Crisis__What_crisis___SNP_MSP_claims_North_Sea_oil_industry_is__booming_/?ref=mr&lp=5

65,000 jobs lost so far from the industry and he calls that a "boom"?

The ignorance of some of these people is astounding, just completely detached from reality.

chewmylegoff

Oil fell to an 11 year low today - $35 a barrel. I'm sure this is positive news for the prospect of independence in Shakey's mind; shows how volatile oil is, perhaps it will be $350 a barrel by next Thursday.

Generali

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Oil fell to an 11 year low today - $35 a barrel. I'm sure this is positive news for the prospect of independence in Shakey's mind; shows how volatile oil is, perhaps it will be $350 a barrel by next Thursday.

Yes, a one off spike in the oil price is clearly indicative of the way forward in the minds of Nationalists.

What do Nationalist obsessives think will happen when the 'inevitable' happens re independence and a lone Scotland walks off into insolvency? I'd be taking the Yes posters down pretty quickly personally.

dktreesea

Generali wrote: »

Yes, a one off spike in the oil price is clearly indicative of the way forward in the minds of Nationalists.

What do Nationalist obsessives think will happen when the 'inevitable' happens re independence and a lone Scotland walks off into insolvency? I'd be taking the Yes posters down pretty quickly personally.

They'll do what the UK already does. Turn on the money printing machine, nowadays done with a stroke of the pen, no need to actually run any printing presses, and allow the currency to devalue.


There's 40 million people who claim to be descendants of Scots around the world. The celebrations worldwide will be massive once Scotland is independent. We'll reap the tourism rewards just from those who live in Dunedin and Tasmania alone, without even considering the bounty the Canadians and Americans will bestow on us in the form of investment.


Either way, whatever the outcome, it's heads Scotland wins, tails England loses. Can't say I'm impressed with this being English. I think if the Scots can have it, then the English should have it too. But hey, I don't want my children in debt from going to uni, and Edinburgh has one thing London doesn't have a few hundred metres away - the sea. I figure the Firth of Forth isn't going to rise 60 metres any time soon. As to our river, we have the most over engineered expensive flood defences in all of Britain, at the rate we are spending on the Water of Leith. Not sure I can express the same confidence in London's flood defences...:)

Generali

dktreesea wrote: »

They'll do what the UK already does. Turn on the money printing machine, nowadays done with a stroke of the pen, no need to actually run any printing presses, and allow the currency to devalue.


There's 40 million people who claim to be descendants of Scots around the world. The celebrations worldwide will be massive once Scotland is independent. We'll reap the tourism rewards just from those who live in Dunedin and Tasmania alone, without even considering the bounty the Canadians and Americans will bestow on us in the form of investment.


Either way, whatever the outcome, it's heads Scotland wins, tails England loses. Can't say I'm impressed with this being English. I think if the Scots can have it, then the English should have it too. But hey, I don't want my children in debt from going to uni, and Edinburgh has one thing London doesn't have a few hundred metres away - the sea. I figure the Firth of Forth isn't going to rise 60 metres any time soon. As to our river, we have the most over engineered expensive flood defences in all of Britain, at the rate we are spending on the Water of Leith. Not sure I can express the same confidence in London's flood defences...:)

Do you actually believe that or is this a wind up? You seem to be trying to argue that Scottish independence will unleash a huge amount of financial support from people whose Grandparents left Scotland the best part of a century ago. Instead of paying their mortgages and school fees they will send money to Scotland.

Is that the plan now that the oil money has gone?

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Isn't the problem that one of the two hasn't declared a directorship on the public register of interests? Oh and Mr Boswell also benefited from a tax loophole he is looking to close up, quite a dodgy one where a company gives you a loan rather than a salary and you fail to repay it. We regularly vote against those sorts of schemes at work in fact.

As to the other one, it's a bit hypocritical to campaign against selling off social housing while buying it up. I guess it shows that SNP MPs are as venal as the rest. No worse, no better. Just the same.

I don't know. The article's were in the Daily Mail and the Herald. never bodes well in terms of truth..( the Herald really do need to wake up.. that's the 4th round of redundancies announced today over the last year ). Since Ian Bell passed away a few weeks ago, there's little to subscribe for much anymore.

The properties were EX-council houses. Not social housing when they were purchased. My own home is an EX-council house. We paid market rate for it though from a PRIVATE seller. As did the MP in question. Who knew MP's weren't allowed to have property businesses ? There's another 128 of them as well... Is that what you really think ?

As for Boswell, he says he's declared everything in line with guidelines. He'll be fine. The Daily Mail and the Herald in true Lloyd Bridges 'I guess I picked the wrong week to...' style.. Have been sunk by Corbyn and his reshuffle.

Looks like UK Labour are going full on anti-Trident like Scottish Labour did a wee while ago. Am sure the SNP can look forward to working with them over that particular issue.

Generali

Looks like UK Labour are going full on anti-Trident like Scottish Labour did a wee while ago. Am sure the SNP can look forward to working with them over that particular issue.

Great. A minority of MPs representing a minority of voters are going to lose a vote in Parliament.

Presumably that marks another leap forward for the destruction of the United Kingdom.

Funny how everything is another step along the path to the single truth. Fripperies like the insolvency of an independent Scotland don't detract from the spirits of those marching the good march.

Shakethedisease

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Oil fell to an 11 year low today - $35 a barrel. I'm sure this is positive news for the prospect of independence in Shakey's mind; shows how volatile oil is, perhaps it will be $350 a barrel by next Thursday.

It isn't in my mind. My contention is that as far as independence support and/or SNP is concerned... that it hasn't made a blind bit of difference, and never has. Oil prices have tanked at the same time independence/SNP support has risen.

In the glory years of the taps full on. Historically the SNP were nowhere much. And independence support hovered around 25%. Well, now it's $35 a barrel... and has been low since just before the referendum. Awful stuff, it's meant that the SNP crashed and burned, independence support dire and down to less than 20% ? Well no actually. It's...

Hellooooo Mr Salmond at Westminster with 56 out of 59 Scottish Mp's. A second potential Holyrood majority and polls for independence hovering at 50/50.

Change the record. The low oil price one is somehow magically translating into SNP votes, and independence support is at it highest historical level's ever. ( for now ).

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Great. A minority of MPs representing a minority of voters are going to lose a vote in Parliament.

Presumably that marks another leap forward for the destruction of the United Kingdom.

Funny how everything is another step along the path to the single truth. Fripperies like the insolvency of an independent Scotland don't detract from the spirits of those marching the good march.

I doubt it's ever dampened the calls of any nation who wants it's independence to be honest ( if you look at history ). Certainly not when it's getting on for nearly half the country.. The economic issues worked against independence in 2014, regardless of the politics ( BetterTogether was crossparty etc). The political side, will work for it if there's a next time, regardless of the economics. Issues like Trident for example.

Trident renewal will be contentious. Scottish Labour are against ( officially ) now. The SNP obviously are, and always have been.. UK Labour seem to be making inroads there too.

They'll lose the vote of course. It's just a shame they're parked in Scotland. Whose MP's AND MSP's by an overwhelming majority now....Don't actually want them parked in Scotland anymore. Labour are going to have a difficult time with this one..especially in Scotland. Scottish Labour will have to 'condemn' their UK colleagues who do vote for it. Scots who feel strongly on Trident will blame Scottish Labour for keeping them in a union which has the power to impose Trident renewal in Scotland. Further highlighting differences politically.

At least the SNP has been consistent.

( I say this as observation. I have no strong views on Trident either way ).

Generali

Scotland is unusual (unique?) in being a region of a country that seeks independence despite there being no history of animosity with or persecution by the larger state, especially given the huge costs involved. !!!!!!, you'd even still be ruled from London, assuming that the plan is to retain the Queen as Head of State.