Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

elantan

Happy Hogmanay everyone, hope 2016 is a guid yin for ye

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There's been a fair amount of lies in the other direction. McCrone and the recent releases from cabinet papers over the last few days. The economics of an iScotland are an unknown. The sooner you admit that better. You can't apply Westminster policies and choices to an independent Scotland for the next 5,10,20 years and then come up with 'answers'. Because it's patently obvious that an independent Scottish govt, wouldn't be implementing the same policies and choices economically over the first 10 years of it's existence. As stated also, the results of any negotiations are also an unknown.

Usual stuff.

Anything can be defended by pointing out others are at it too and as the future is yet to happen pretend there's an equal chance of milk & honey vs hard times.

kabayiri

We will never know the true needs of all regions in the UK, until

- the government replaces Barnett contrivances with a standard per-person rate of state funding
- individual regions, like Scotland, make express and transparent claims for additional top-ups to the standard rate

Surely, it is in everyone's interest to know what Scotland needs to balance the books and why? That way, they can work out if an austerity program is needed before independence, to realign the economy.

elantan

It sure is ... Gonna be interesting for a lot of English people to find out exactly what they need funding for and why to balance their books as well I would imagine

I know I trust Swinney much more than Osborne to balance ma books



Or are you suggesting only Scotland should ?

Leanne1812

We may or may not be broke but we'll be freeeeee!!

(joke alert!!) :rotfl:

All the best to you all for 2016, hope it's a good one. :beer:

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You can't apply Westminster policies and choices to an independent Scotland for the next 5,10,20 years and then come up with 'answers'. Because it's patently obvious that an independent Scottish govt, wouldn't be implementing the same policies and choices economically over the first 10 years of it's existence.

We'd all love to know what those policies are. Can you give us a hint? Is there an SNP blueprint to make you all rich?

Go on. Give us a few examples of what a free Scotland will do that's different.

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

I know I trust Swinney much more than Osborne to balance ma books

Not his plan to it appears.

AN independent Scotland would borrow billions of pounds in the initial years after leaving the UK in a bid to kickstart the economy, under plans outlined for the first time by John Swinney.

Mr Swinney said he wanted to turn his back on Chancellor George Osborne's austerity drive, which will limit rises in public spending to one per cent per year.

Instead he favoured borrowing to increase public spending by three per cent each year in the three years immediately following independence.

Are you prepared to take a chance that the billions spent won't be wasted just like the generations of politicians before of all parties have done.

CLAPTON

I don't see any particular issue with the Iscottish government borrowing whatever it wants : as long as the people of scotland lend it the money.

An Iscotland would need to pay an interest rate that the people of scotland would find attractive.

Presumably the people of iscotland would be unconcerned about lending a government that's first act was to default on its RoUK debts , indeed they might celebrate the fact and lend to them at very low rates.

elantan

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not his plan to it appears.





Are you prepared to take a chance that the billions spent won't be wasted just like the generations of politicians before of all parties have done.

I know myself and loads like me will make as sure as we can be it won't happen, and I know we currently have our politicians workING hard for us, they now know they have to prove themselves


So yeah we will sort ours out ... maybe other people should be more interested in what their politicians get up to

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

elantan wrote: »

Gonna be interesting for a lot of English people to find out exactly what they need funding for and why to balance their books as well I would imagine

Or are you suggesting only Scotland should ?

Are you suggesting that you don't understand the enormous difference between the scale of Scotland's deficit and that of rUK?