Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Here you go again getting all defensive, and sort of shriekey to the extent you're now imagining things. Show me where I said it was SNPs fault, in any of the 2 posts I made. I simply said I didn't find anything about it inspiring, unique or even interesting. But in the hyper vigilant twitchy noisey bubble of a minority of SNP/Yes supporters, which I'm beginning to think you must inhabit , it simply can't be tolerated for anyone to have a general viewpoint which doesn't fit in with the SNP/Yes narrative.

Yes about 10,000 donations have been made to this fund, and as some have donated sums of £100, obviously they must have been interested or felt inspired. The other 22,000 constituents of Orkeny obviously weren't so inspired or interested, nor was the the other 3,990,000 of th electorate either for that matter. But don't let the cold hard facts of that matter get in your way here.

The Regius Professor of Law at Glasgow University well known for his sarcastic ironic comments recently tweeted referring to some comments being made about Carmichael
'ATTENTION PARENTS ' How have 'you' dealt with telling your children the awful truth about Alistair Carmichael' , in relation to a Herald headline and comments about the subject.

The past few weeks have been difficult for SNP, seems to be one thing after another. And some of Sturgeons new and existing MPs/MSPS aren't making life any easier for her. The bridge is just the latest to come up. More is coming shortly. My primary concern for the minute is with the commuters and in particular with the engineers currently suspended in mid air in atrocius weather trying to sort this problem.

SNP will likely be blamed for this. They are the government, and were in charge when decisions were made, on maintenance, bridge toll removal and budget cutting. Sturgeon will need to tread very carefully.

Wishful thinking from start to finish. I'm not imagining anything. You asked what made the Carmichael case unique and interesting. I and others gave you examples... of which you felt that it still did not for you, make the case unique and interesting.

Others feel differently. And felt it was unique and interesting enough to put their money where their mouths were. I'm not really sure what your problem is with that. But horses for courses. Carmichael has been judged. And the public will judge again in May.

The bridge will re-open in the New Year a few weeks away. And the new bridge will open sometime next year. No matter how much you wish Sturgeon was personally responsible for stress fractures in a 50 year old bridge.. no one is buying it. Not when they've taken all reports seriously enough in the past, that they've decided to pour millions into building a new one due to the risks of.... er... stress fractures.

Shortly after I took office as First Minister a report landed on my desk with one almighty thump. It detailed the serious problems with the steel cabling on the Forth Road Bridge. It also showed how successive governments for more than 20 years had pigeon-holed the case to build a third crossing.
A further report also detailed the likelihood of success of drying out the cables with the equivalent of a giant hair dryer. I still decided to go ahead with the building of the new bridge.

The indications were that the existing road bridge was suffering from many years of much heavier traffic than had ever been expected in the 1950s when it was designed. It was simple wear and tear and as soon as you sorted one problem another would likely emerge. And the real problem was that, while any engineering repair could be handled, it would inevitably mean prolonged closures of the bridge.

And the cost of closing the Forth Road Bridge even for short period was prohibitive as we have seen over the last week.
One of the reasons we need a new bridge is so that proper repairs can be made to the existing road bridge.

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/alex-salmond/salmond-s-folly-i-m-glad-i-didn-t-view-a-new-forth-crossing-as-a-bridge-too-far-1.914374

Sensible thinking from the Former First Minister.

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

An interesting infographic.

Scotland - High spending low contributions

London/SE - Low spending high contributions

Perhaps the people of Scotland and Wales could write a nice Thank you letter to Londoners.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I honestly think you need to take a few deep breaths. I'm afraid the union isn't going to be saved due to the Forth Road Bridge being shut down. The SNP aren't responsible for every, single, thing that ever, ever, ever goes wrong in Scotland.

That's where Labour IS going very wrong up here. They all sound like you a bit. I've already said that I hope Labour do get a full inquiry.

Rubbish - Google Preventative Maintenance and think again.

But no, the self-invented halo that hovers above the heads of the SNP collective and their leaders has slipped down to cover their eyes and ears. If only it would cover the mouth as well, it might quell the shrieking.

However, in a way your response is encouraging. There comes a time with politicians who have been at the apex that they believe themselves to the exclusion of all other viewpoints. There are many examples in history; your heroine Mrs Thatcher for example. Sturgeon is well on the way on that road, with the SNP Collective trudging obediently behind.

It is really starting to show.

So go ahead, keep up the good work of self delusion and self demolition - the SNP can do no wrong, everyone else is wrong, it's never your fault, if you can fool yourselves you can fool other people, and the rest if the self-obsessed SNP mindset.

In the meantime the rest of us will enjoy the spectacle, except for the damage you intend for Scotland and the UK.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The SNP aren't responsible for every, single, thing that ever, ever, ever goes wrong in Scotland.

The SNP government cut the budget for bridge repairs, specifically, including preventative replacement of the part that broke.

The bridge then broke before the new one was ready.

It's their fault.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Back on topic however, if only the Yes campaign had found a way to base Scotland's economic future on another liquid rather than oil, perhaps their economic case for indy wouldn't look like quite such an omnishambles today...

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Rubbish - Google Preventative Maintenance and think again.

But no, the self-invented halo that hovers above the heads of the SNP collective and their leaders has slipped down to cover their eyes and ears. If only it would cover the mouth as well, it might quell the shrieking.

However, in a way your response is encouraging. There comes a time with politicians who have been at the apex that they believe themselves to the exclusion of all other viewpoints. There are many examples in history; your heroine Mrs Thatcher for example. Sturgeon is well on the way on that road, with the SNP Sollective trudging obediently behind.

It is really starting to show.

So go ahead, keep up the good work of self delusion and self demolition - the SNP can do no wrong, everyone else is wrong, it's never your fault, if you can fool yourselves you can fool other people, and the rest if the self-obsessed SNP mindset.

In the meantime the rest of us will enjoy the spectacle, except for the damage you intend for Scotland and the UK.

It's not delusion to point out to you simple facts. Facts which you may have missed in your quest for SNP bashing at all costs. Now no-one says the SNP are perfect, and don't make mistakes. They do.

However, we're now at the point in Scotland whereby every single thing, no matter how large or how small is laid at the SNP and Sturgeon's door directly. Everything ( as Peter Bell wrote today ) is now turned into a crisis of epic proportions. The FRB being shut down is disappointing and unfortunate. But at the end of the day it's travel disruptions for a few weeks. Not a war, humanitarian crisis or a true tragedy on Scotland's doorstep. A bit of perspective is required.

I cannot remember the last time the Labour party or any of the other parties made a mistake in Scotland. Carmichael didn't even have his whip removed while being subject to an upcoming trial.

Maintenance budgets were down to FETA in 2010, and the truss that has gone wrong now, wasn't then. Please see 'unexpected and not predicted by previous analysis' below.



And if it were left up to Labour. The new bridge wouldn't have been built at all.

5 January, 2009

Scottish finance secretary John Swinney had asked for special permission from the UK government to pay for the new bridge with cash from future capital budgets. However, chief secretary to the treasury Yvette Cooper replied to Swinney request yesterday by saying this was not a “credible option” and has suggested alternatives such as building up a big underspend or using a public private partnership (PPP).

http://www.newcivilengineer.com/treasury-rejects-new-forth-bridge-payment-plan/1957952.article

Leanne1812

Generali wrote: »

Perhaps the people of Scotland and Wales could write a nice Thank you letter to Londoners.

Why Thank You Londoners :-) it's much appreciated.

If you ever feel the need to reciprocate for Scotland's contribution, helping you on the way to becoming a super city then you'd be very welcome

Mutual gratitude, it's lovely being equal partners. Better together

Leanne1812

.string. wrote: »

Rubbish - Google Preventative Maintenance and think again.

But no, the self-invented halo that hovers above the heads of the SNP collective and their leaders has slipped down to cover their eyes and ears. If only it would cover the mouth as well, it might quell the shrieking.

However, in a way your response is encouraging. There comes a time with politicians who have been at the apex that they believe themselves to the exclusion of all other viewpoints. There are many examples in history; your heroine Mrs Thatcher for example. Sturgeon is well on the way on that road, with the SNP Collective trudging obediently behind.

It is really starting to show.

So go ahead, keep up the good work of self delusion and self demolition - the SNP can do no wrong, everyone else is wrong, it's never your fault, if you can fool yourselves you can fool other people, and the rest if the self-obsessed SNP mindset.

In the meantime the rest of us will enjoy the spectacle, except for the damage you intend for Scotland and the UK.

I think you've forgotten that you are 'the opposition.' SNP supporters are not.

That does not mean we are blind to failings, just a little more balanced.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Back on topic however, if only the Yes campaign had found a way to base Scotland's economic future on another liquid rather than oil, perhaps their economic case for indy wouldn't look like quite such an omnishambles today...

Why does no-one ever talk about oil running out any more ?

.string.

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Leanne1812 wrote: »

I think you've forgotten that you are 'the opposition.' SNP supporters are not.

That does not mean we are blind to failings, just a little more balanced.

It's a devolved matter, all under the SNP Government's "control".

... and still the excuses keep coming. ..." See no evil, hear no ...." etc.

Balanced :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: --- I've noticed that admitting failings is not exactly a yearly occurrence.

According to your good self and particularly Shakey, the buck stops well before the person in charge, all in the best traditions of the SNP no doubt.

But keep it up, it all helps the SNP image.