Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Leanne1812

skintmacflint wrote: »

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Good read Elantan,

This has always been a bugbear. Trying to get transparency is impossible, it's the reason I don't get involved with subsidy junkie debate.

I know wings is mostly dismissed on here but I don't think anyone can dispute he does spend a lot of time researching. I'd like to see this debunked but I might wait some time would the blogger he speaks of be Kevin Hague?[/QUOTE

I assume you realise the article wasn't written by Stu? You won't have to wait, as it was dismissed online by several people before KH got a chance to respond. Which I see he has now done.

But I'm not sure there's any point in arguing or point scoring these blogs now.

Particulalry when Sturgeon has never denied the existence of a 7 billion financial black hole, or attempt to claim it was any smaller or incorrect. In any of several interviews she gave during the FFA discussion. Unless you think she was wrong.

However what she wasn't transparent or IMO was dishonest about , was the unsustainable borrowing or economic growth which would be required to cover it, in the start up years (decades) . And that the more likely outcome was huge cuts and raised taxes.

Which is why thousands like me don't trust Sturgeon. I know many possibly thousands say they are willing to be worse off etc etc, but I don't believe every single Yes voter would agree with you .Obviously neither did Salmond nor Sturgeon.

The point I was making skint is it is impossible to try and get to the bottom of exactly what we contribute and what exactly comes under uk spending.

As far as the black hole goes you say 7 billion, some say 8, some say 9, some say more. What is the true figure. Does anyone truly know? Doubt it as until we get transparency it's impossible to.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Then she'll wait it out. along with the rest of us until they do. It's looking like a looooong Tory led five years ahead. The prospect of another five years beyond that with Osborne, Johnson or May in charge should boost the polls up a bit more.

( but nothing is certain in politics. That's what keeps it interesting ).

but a smart PM might offer scotland a new referendum...
what would Nicola do : refuse?

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

skintmacflint wrote: »

The point I was making skint is it is impossible to try and get to the bottom of exactly what we contribute and what exactly comes under uk spending.

As far as the black hole goes you say 7 billion, some say 8, some say 9, some say more. What is the true figure. Does anyone truly know? Doubt it as until we get transparency it's impossible to.

the SNP government has all the figures there are to have;
don't you trust them?

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I have only briefly been on Twitter but it appears that less than 10 non SNP MP's were in attendance for the debates. Small, insignificant, unimportant, disdain, disgust. Just a few words rattling round my head

Copied from a friend of mine.


Sept 2014
Scotland : we've had enough, we're off
WM : but we love you, don't leave us, lead us! We'll change; we'll let you take control & make the decisions that affect your life....
Scotland : ok, we love you too...

Nov 2015
Scotland : but you said you would let us make our own decisions, you did, you promised. You said you loved us.....
WM : we let you keep 40% of your wages & said you can take another job if you need more money. You are lucky we put up with your whining! Now stop your demands & your grievances & realise how lucky you are.....

Healthy relationship or abusive relationship???

you get £3,000 more per family than the people of Yorkshire


Abusive or what?


go on - fight for fairness and equality

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Sept 2014
Scotland : we've had enough, we're off
WM : but we love you, don't leave us, lead us! We'll change; we'll let you take control & make the decisions that affect your life....
Scotland : ok, we love you too...

Nov 2015
Scotland : but you said you would let us make our own decisions, you did, you promised. You said you loved us.....
WM : we let you keep 40% of your wages & said you can take another job if you need more money. You are lucky we put up with your whining! Now stop your demands & your grievances & realise how lucky you are.....

Healthy relationship or abusive relationship???

Marriage Counsellor:

Dear Scotland- you're being vindictive and petty, you spend 125% of your income and then demand more say on how you spend WM's money. And when WM stands up to your irrational behaviour you throw repeated tantrums threatening to leave. When you agreed to stay together it meant exactly that. Grow up.

Dear WM - you have the patience of a Saint - for the children's sake I hope you don't let Scotland suffer the consequences of such immature behaviour, not that I'd blame you if you did.

kabayiri

Leanne1812 wrote: »

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As far as the black hole goes you say 7 billion, some say 8, some say 9, some say more. What is the true figure. Does anyone truly know? Doubt it as until we get transparency it's impossible to.

If you believe Mr Salmond and his projections of how much surplus Scotland would have with oil revenues at $120/$150 a barrel, then you can just recalculate with current oil prices at sub $50/barrel.

Even £7bn is a lot of money. The highly controversial loss of child benefit for higher rate taxpayers will struggle to save the country even £1bn.

elantan

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I have only briefly been on Twitter but it appears that less than 10 non SNP MP's were in attendance for the debates. Small, insignificant, unimportant, disdain, disgust. Just a few words rattling round my head

Copied from a friend of mine.


Sept 2014
Scotland : we've had enough, we're off
WM : but we love you, don't leave us, lead us! We'll change; we'll let you take control & make the decisions that affect your life....
Scotland : ok, we love you too...

Nov 2015
Scotland : but you said you would let us make our own decisions, you did, you promised. You said you loved us.....
WM : we let you keep 40% of your wages & said you can take another job if you need more money. You are lucky we put up with your whining! Now stop your demands & your grievances & realise how lucky you are.....

Healthy relationship or abusive relationship???

Aye my twitter is in meltdown just now as well lol ...

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

Aye my twitter is in meltdown just now as well lol ...

I can't keep up with mine either. Not after Labour voted down to devolve tax credits with the Tories (477-56) after spending the last week demanding the SNP clean up Westminster's mess in future.

Says it all... Stitch up right enough.

Mhairi Black MP ‏@MhairiBlack 49m49 minutes ago Mundell has confirmed to me that there is NO guarantee that the Tories will not take back any top-up made to benefits by Scot Gov @theSNP

Wings Over Scotland ‏@WingsScotland 23 mins23 minutes agoSo: Labour vote against Holyrood controlling tax credits, and Tories say they might claw back any mitigation payments. What a stitch-up.

The one Labour MP agrees with the one Tory MP, while 55 SNP MPs are ignored. The Liberal MP is in court for lying. #ScotlandBill

Generali

Scotland puts in £600 a week into the household and keeps £400. Scotland then gets given housekeeping of £850 a week out of that £600 pot. The difference comes from the partner working a well paid job in London, topped up with some borrowing on the credit cards.

The credit card spending was a worry but that seems to be coming under control as their income rises and they cut back on non-essential spending (the school fees and health insurance bills are the first to get paid though!).

Unfortunately, a friend keeps telling the partner in Edinburgh that they'd be far better off leaving this abusive marriage as they could get to keep all of the £1,000 a week and make more decisions about where it goes.

The partner is torn between wanting a bit more autonomy and affection for the OH. Also they are quite concerned about where the other £250 is going to come from. The friend is full of reassurances about income being volatile and how being alone is far better than in this unequal union.

It all came to a bit of a head a year or so ago but they talked things out and decided that with a few changes, what they had worked in the best interest of them both. The friend said that if they talked about it and decided the status quo was best for them then the subject would be dropped but now the friend keeps making unsubtle hints that maybe that shouldn't be the case.

elantan

36.2k tweets about the #Scotland bill so far ... there's an awfy lot of annoyed people in Scotland tonight