Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

islandannie wrote: »

There is as much point to their posts as there are to yours.
Your rambling verbose nonsense posts which never actually clarifiy the snp position on the yawning gap between expenditure and income are actually more disingenuous than the straight forward post you criticise.

In fact Elantans posts also make me despair.

I usually just completely ignore yours tbh. Another poster, like the poster I 'criticise' who never seems to venture beyond slagging other posters off and completely ignoring the topic/context. Its just boring to read luv. I am sorry. Try engaging even vaguely with the discussion rather than jumping in with mere insults.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Making what stuff up ? That postal voting is open to fraud it's r that postal vote counting before the date is seemingly widespread and acceptable practice ?

I wasn't just talking about the referendum. I was talking about all elections/referendums. They must be beyond doubt.

Rubbish, you were implying that the referendum had potentially been stolen from Yes as eltan was. It's a good way to get around your cognitive dissonance I suppose.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Making what stuff up ? That postal voting is open to fraud ? Or that postal vote counting before the date is seemingly widespread and acceptable practice ?

I wasn't just talking about the referendum. I was talking about all elections/referendums. They must be beyond doubt.

If the process is broken then why isn't it open to abuse either way?

It's not like postal votes are a new thing. They have been used before. When I worked on computer processing of questionaire papers received by post we had encoded identifiers built into the form, the aim being to neutralise faking of votes.

Verification and authentication is a lot better than in years gone by.

There may actually be a new vector of attack though; which is why I would be interested in hearing more detail.

uncreative

I thought the Scots actually increased the UKs economic figures - higher GDP per capita, higher tax take per head, more tourist $ per square foot, I thought Scotland plays a vital part of the UK. The SNP are really powerless in Westminster. I think we should all keep as part of a bigger UK and join the Euro.

The real future lies when we have a global single currency and unified interest rate. Let true economics play their part, i.e. transport costs being the limiting factor. We will all become a lot more self reliant, money will take a back seat to actual production and the world will become a fairer place.

Bring on the single global currency.

.string.

uncreative wrote: »

I thought the Scots actually increased the UKs economic figures - higher GDP per capita, higher tax take per head, more tourist $ per square foot, I thought Scotland plays a vital part of the UK. The SNP are really powerless in Westminster. I think we should all keep as part of a bigger UK and join the Euro.

The real future lies when we have a global single currency and unified interest rate. Let true economics play their part, i.e. transport costs being the limiting factor. We will all become a lot more self reliant, money will take a back seat to actual production and the world will become a fairer place.

Bring on the single global currency.

Gulp!

I can't say I agree with all of that, but I do think that Scotland is a vital part of the UK.

CLAPTON

uncreative wrote: »

I thought the Scots actually increased the UKs economic figures - higher GDP per capita, higher tax take per head, more tourist $ per square foot, I thought Scotland plays a vital part of the UK. The SNP are really powerless in Westminster. I think we should all keep as part of a bigger UK and join the Euro.

The real future lies when we have a global single currency and unified interest rate. Let true economics play their part, i.e. transport costs being the limiting factor. We will all become a lot more self reliant, money will take a back seat to actual production and the world will become a fairer place.

Bring on the single global currency.

greece and germany share the euro
I'm unconvinced that the greeks would see that this has made their life 'fairer'

.string.

The independence referendum was organised to a high standard according to a new report by the Electoral Commission has stated.


Mind you ...... Blah blah blah ...... But then who's perfect? Apart from the SNP of course.

CLAPTON

.string. wrote: »

The independence referendum was organised to a high standard according to a new report by the Electoral Commission has stated.


Mind you ...... Blah blah blah ...... But then who's perfect? Apart from the SNP of course.

don't be silly

the electoral commission is
-not comprised entirely of SNP acolytes
-the report was not drafted by either Alex or Nicola
-has not been approved by independent observers like Putin

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

If the process is broken then why isn't it open to abuse either way?

It's not like postal votes are a new thing. They have been used before. When I worked on computer processing of questionaire papers received by post we had encoded identifiers built into the form, the aim being to neutralise faking of votes.

Verification and authentication is a lot better than in years gone by.

There may actually be a new vector of attack though; which is why I would be interested in hearing more detail.

As far as I'm aware re postal voting, there is a form A which has the identifiers ( birth date/signature ) and these are checked.. form B is sealed inside form A, which has the actual vote inside. And is supposed to remain sealed until the count.

However, it seems that 'ballot opening' before votes are officially counted, are used to save time having to open the second envelope before the official count. Which is why Ruth Davidsdon was able apparently, to keep 'tallies' at numerous openings 'around the country'. It's illegal to tally these votes, or divulge any information whatsoever if one catches sight of any. Never mind stating on national TV that one had attended numerous sessions of the above, and that they'd been 'very encouraged' by the results. How many did they see ? John Mcternan ( BetterTogether/Labour advisor) also stated the same as Ruth.

If it was me seeing those I'd be off down the bookies weeks before the election/referendum betting my life savings on the result. And telling all my pals to do the same.... Or if these 'tallies' weren't running the way I was hoping, as PM or an opposition party... I might think about issuing a few Vow's or announcing some hugely popular policies that might swing things my party's way.

But all water under the bridge now.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Rubbish, you were implying that the referendum had potentially been stolen from Yes as eltan was. It's a good way to get around your cognitive dissonance I suppose.

Total rubbish. Keeping a tighter rein on ( given the explosion in postal votes in the last few years ) and barring anyone/any group/political party from 'keeping tallies' of them weeks before official counts is just common sense. And fair. No-one should have access to votes before official counts.

Providing links to articles which back this up, was what the poster who was 'despairing' of elantan asked for ( though the language was a bit choice for me ). I was happy to help with. I don't believe the ref was rigged. Just that there were valid questions raised on fair practice. And not just for the referendum.

To be completely honest, if a convoy of vans labeled M15 were caught kidnapping ballot boxes outside every polling station in Scotland you'd still be scoffing that it was somehow something bad to do with the SNP.