Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

skintmacflint

Tromking wrote: »

There you go talking for the whole Scottish nation again.
Seemingly no consideration on your part for the circa 45-55% of Scots who are probably growing heartily sick of the neverendum agenda of the SNP and their acolytes like you.

Couldn't agree more. It's a constant and definite aspect of the Nats , that they ignore everything, and everyone except that which appeals to them. However we just tend to ignore them now, and let them indulge their fantasies on social media, sign themselves up to polls etc, if it keeps them happy. Doesn't change a thing.

Another aspect is their conviction, they are now so enlightened and aware of media and political manipulation, they can't be fooled. While following a party and leaders who excels in spin and manipulation , but nothing else.lol.

And while on the subject of the drop in basic education standards under SNP , I can confirm , having volunteered with dozens of teenagers from varying backgrounds, the basic 3Rs standard , and general knowledge of 12 year olds, (whose entire school years to date have been under the control of SNP) is frighteningly poor to say the least.

Mind you, they do excel at taking Selfies etc.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

You do know that means the other half perhaps don't want one?
I think you should beware the Scot who just wants to live his/her life quietly as a Brit free from constant talk of independence.

You must've missed the 58% that would support one within the next 10 years..

Even I don't talk SNP/independence/politics all the time.. just here mainly. It seems to wind you all up a lot. But if I and others didn't post any other points of view on threads like these.. then they would just be infantile Pro indy/SNP bashing, back slapping lol threads, spouting a load of mistruths, smears, Telegraph articles and loads of personal insults about Scottish politicians weight and hair. And we can't have that in a mature debating forum..

Better to have the other side of the debate too if we're having it at all.

tberry6686

CLAPTON wrote: »

something that can't work is absurd

Strange how it is absurd but to the Nats it's perfectly ok if Nicola demands the same thing for a national vote.

(original post was firmly tongue in cheek)

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If that had been the case, there would be no need whatsover for Cameron to have to give in on things like 'purdah' in order to appease Tory rebels in case they vote with Labour against him. And he has.

So it was fact.

Not really. Normal political parties have internal debates to decide how things should be done. They don't have the leader tell them how they are going to think.

Thankfully, it's only the SNP that have sent a few dozen drones to London.

elantan wrote: »

Again manipulating things till they turn out the way you want them... Sigh

For the record, I am not sure whether the indy ref was or wasnt rigged... I dont actually know ... and have to see deffinitive proof of either

now go and twist and manipulate that ... you know you want to

Manipulate? You're trying to insinuate that the referendum was fixed, largely on...well on what basis? Because your lot lost I suppose, there certainly is no other evidence.

Given the massive scale and range of the defeat there would have to have been ballot stuffing on an epic scale right across Scotland, something for which there is no evidence whatsoever, quite impressive seeing as Westminster/MI5/the lizards/HMQ managed to put in 400,000 votes right across Scotland.

You are delusional. If you honestly believe that might have happened, get help as you are letting your bitterness turn into something a lot more dangerous.

You need to accept that the referendum was lost and move on for the sake of your health if nothing else.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Well that's a problem. Life isn't full of second chances: if these extra people wanted independence they had their chance.

Ah Generali.. there are some hard truths you must now face.

If, the polls start climbing ( and I'm in no way saying they will, but if they do ) towards a solid 55/60% + supporting a Yes vote should another referendum be held. Then the plain facts are, that the SNP... ( think about that again slooooowly, and really grasp what that means, the SNP ).. if they are still in Government in Scotland. WILL call another referendum. There's just no getting around that fact. Because independence for Scotland, is a cornerstone policy and it drives just about everything they do on a constitutional level.

The fact that in power in Holyrood, on day to day matters. Which are just as, if not more, important, they have ran a very competent and tight ship..not perfect by any means, but much better than their predecessors. Has come as a welcome surprise to many since 2007. They've done well to stay in power for 8 years now, and support has only risen, not fallen. That's quite an achievement for any governing body by any measure.

Once it looks likely that a referendum will result in a Yes vote ( or whatever it's named next time ). The SNP will call one, they can't not do so. End of.

After all, everyone deserves a second chance.

Shakethedisease

tberry6686 wrote: »

Strange how it is absurd but to the Nats it's perfectly ok if Nicola demands the same thing for a national vote.

(original post was firmly tongue in cheek)

No government can be bound by anything a previous one passes into law. So 25 years is a bit of a no go. On just about.. well.. anything..

islandannie

I have no heart left for debate with brainwashed snp Acolytes
But just listen to the political pygmy Swinney trying to defend the party line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl-zTYQzKJM

As a Scot I am embarrassed by these snp clowns.

They do not speak for the majority of sensible Scots.

elantan

Generali wrote: »

Manipulate? You're trying to insinuate that the referendum was fixed, largely on...well on what basis? Because your lot lost I suppose, there certainly is no other evidence.

Given the massive scale and range of the defeat there would have to have been ballot stuffing on an epic scale right across Scotland, something for which there is no evidence whatsoever, quite impressive seeing as Westminster/MI5/the lizards/HMQ managed to put in 400,000 votes right across Scotland.

You are delusional. If you honestly believe that might have happened, get help as you are letting your bitterness turn into something a lot more dangerous.

You need to accept that the referendum was lost and move on for the sake of your health if nothing else.

I could reply in depth to this... Just really cant be bothered

Thrugelmir

islandannie wrote: »

I have no heart left for debate with brainwashed snp Acolytes
But just listen to the political pygmy Swinney trying to defend the party line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl-zTYQzKJM

As a Scot I am embarrassed by these snp clowns.

They do not speak for the majority of sensible Scots.

Never seen this before. Appears that the Emperor has no clothes. Anti austerity what a joke. All smoke and mirrors.

Generali

elantan wrote: »

I could reply in depth to this... Just really cant be bothered

Just give us a little teaser, a hint as to why you think the referendum might have been rigged. Because you were very clear that you thought that it might have been.