Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Mistermeaner

elantan wrote: »

Look at all the proven evidence against it ... That ... Thats why I believe it should be banned

Which proven evidence? Im not aware of any

I see the US dining out of cheap energy and pet chem feedstock, so much so that a major company in Scotland has spent multiple millions on ships and terminals to import fracked ethane into Scotland as that is more cost effective than northsea extraction - what does that tell you?

Time for the snp to make some tough decisions. Moaning is easy, Governing is hard especially when you made lots of silly promises to win the votes of the ignorant on emotive grounds

ruggedtoast

Wild_Rover wrote: »

It is, AFAIK, only the PFI hospitals that are charging as charges were abolished at all others in 2008. It would have been too costly to buy out the PFI hospitals' parking operations, which I think are "privatised".

The first time my son was hospitalised (about 6 months) was when charging was still in force. We were there all day, every day for weeks. We had to go and move the car every two hours and hunt for change. Not what parents need, I can assure you.

WR

They do just let you out if you press the intercom at the barrier and explain you don't have any money though. Happened to me once when I had to rush my kid to hospital and wasn't thinking about car parks.

I'm not suggesting people do that, but they don't trap you in there if you haven't paid.

It still should be the same price across the UK though. If Scotland wants independence I don't see why they can't start by being independent of my taxes. Strangely that seems to the part of the nationalist agenda where the bombast suddenly goes quiet.

Generali

ruggedtoast wrote: »

It still should be the same price across the UK though. If Scotland wants independence I don't see why they can't start by being independent of my taxes. Strangely that seems to the part of the nationalist agenda where the bombast suddenly goes quiet.

The supporters are stupid enough to claim to want to live off their own taxes or 'Full Fiscal Autonomy' as they call it. The politicians aren't that thick though. They claim to want FFA but obviously in reality they don't want it as they aren't that dumb.

You don't get 50-60% of the votes in a nation by being an idiot, you just need to persuade idiots to support you.

robmatic

Mistermeaner wrote: »

I see the US dining out of cheap energy and pet chem feedstock, so much so that a major company in Scotland has spent multiple millions on ships and terminals to import fracked ethane into Scotland as that is more cost effective than northsea extraction - what does that tell you?

Presumably the SNP will be acting out of principle to prevent the import of this environmentally damaging product.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Are the SNP going to revoke licences that have already been sold? That sounds expensive and a bit dodgy to me.

The SNP can't revoke licences they don't have the power to do so... but they can withold planning permission. Which is what they're doing at the moment .The laws concerning fracking are contradictory between UK and Scottish.

“The Scottish Parliament has legislative control over planning and environmental measures but it is unclear as to how these powers interact with the powers retained by the UK government to grant Licences under the Petroleum Act and associated rights on holders of such licences under the Mines Act 1966.

“No account was taken as to the situation in Scotland. The law of property in Scotland is a devolved matter yet these clauses cut across property rights of landowners and no account has been taken of this, nor has any attempt been made to involve the Scottish Parliament"

But it seems at the moment the UK parliament can dish the licences out at will like confetti.. but in Scotland the government can withhold planning permission. The Scottish Government have no 'official' position as far as I know on fracking.

Anyway, why bother. Oil in Scotland is only a huge burden to everyone here that holds us back, is never enough and ensures we could never be independent while the prices are so low and will never, ever recover to former prices for the next gazillion years. * copyright posters on MSE.

Mistermeaner

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Which proven evidence? Im not aware of any

I see the US dining out of cheap energy and pet chem feedstock, so much so that a major company in Scotland has spent multiple millions on ships and terminals to import fracked ethane into Scotland as that is more cost effective than northsea extraction - what does that tell you?

Time for the snp to make some tough decisions. Moaning is easy, Governing is hard especially when you made lots of silly promises to win the votes of the ignorant on emotive grounds

Your response to the above shakey? Your proven evidence against fracking?

I'd love to know how this scoialist, subsidy free and frack free scotland is going to flourish?

tberry6686

I'd love to see how a fracing free Scotland will get on. Considering fracing is very commonly used in the oil industry, both on and offshore, a ban will cost thousands of jobs in the oil industry in Scotland.
Lets see Nicola explain that away.

Shakethedisease

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Your response to the above shakey? Your proven evidence against fracking?

I'd love to know how this scoialist, subsidy free and frack free scotland is going to flourish?

I don't need evidence. I just know where the profits would end up. And it ain't in Holyrood. Until there's a socialist, subsidy and frack free independent Scotland, then your own argument doesn't wash.

We'll see where the fracking debate ends up. But it's an incredibly unpopular policy with voters all over the UK. Too many if's and buts, and risk involved. And after all, BetterTogether's main point was 'why risk it ?'. Why indeed.. when it comes to fracking.

Shakethedisease

tberry6686 wrote: »

I'd love to see how a fracing free Scotland will get on. Considering fracing is very commonly used in the oil industry, both on and offshore, a ban will cost thousands of jobs in the oil industry in Scotland.
Lets see Nicola explain that away.

You can't lose jobs that aren't already there..

Mistermeaner

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't need evidence. I just know where the profits would end up. And it ain't in Holyrood. Until there's a socialist, subsidy and frack free independent Scotland, then your own argument doesn't wash.

We'll see where the fracking debate ends up. But it's an incredibly unpopular policy with voters all over the UK. Too many if's and buts, and risk involved. And after all, BetterTogether's main point was 'why risk it ?'. Why indeed.. when it comes to fracking.

So you have no evidence?

Not surprising for someone who supports the snp. Powered by fairy dust.

Which argument of mine doesn't wash? I don't recall having arguments

:winky face to appear clever and above it all when I've actually said nothing: