Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

tberry6686

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You can't lose jobs that aren't already there..

So Scotland has no jobs in oil ?

You are aware of the amount of fracing done in the north sea aren't you ?

Generali

tberry6686 wrote: »

So Scotland has no jobs in oil ?

You are aware of the amount of fracing done in the north sea aren't you ?

You'll only confuse her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing_in_the_United_Kingdom#cite_note-Mader-1

hydraulic fracturing in the United Kingdom has been common in North Sea oil and gas fields since the late 1970s

Shakethedisease

Mistermeaner wrote: »

So you have no evidence?

Not surprising for someone who supports the snp. Powered by fairy dust.

Did you miss the part where I said in the post above that 'the Scottish Government doesn't have an 'official' stance on fracking'.... for or against. Which is why they've introduced a moratorium..

A moratorium is a delay or suspension of an activity or a law

It's not a ban, nor a go-ahead. It's a suspension until all the facts are gathered in order to make an informed decision. Nothing to do with fairy dust. You on the other hand seem to be under the impression that the Scottish government has banned fracking already. You're wrong. Although, I think in the long run they probably will.. at the moment there has been no decision made either way.

Which argument of mine doesn't wash? I don't recall having arguments

The one where I put forward a personal opinion on fracking. That was elantan. I pointed out the laws concerning it are contradictory re UK granting licences and the Scotland government withholding planning permission.

Oil is BAD for Scotland, shale offshore we all know that. It wouldn't make any difference to big black hole deficits etc etc. Ask Hamish or Generali. They've said it often enough and can advance the oil/Scotland/bad argument much better than I can be bothered to. Since I don't agree with most of what they say on the subject.

Fracking onshore is an unknown. It hasn't been banned by the Scottish government. Nor has it been given to go-ahead either.

:winky face to appear clever and above it all when I've actually said nothing:

You asked me for evidence that fracking is bad. I assume you can Google just as well and I can.

Shakethedisease

tberry6686 wrote: »

So Scotland has no jobs in oil ?

You are aware of the amount of fracing done in the north sea aren't you ?

Onshore fracking is what we've been discussing. That's where the new licences are being granted. There can be no onshore jobs lost re fracking, when there aren't actually any yet. So nothing for Sturgeon to 'explain away'.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

You'll only confuse her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing_in_the_United_Kingdom#cite_note-Mader-1

I think you're the one who's getting confused between onshore and offshore activities. And once again...

Did you miss the part where I said in the post above that 'the Scottish Government doesn't have an 'official' stance on fracking'.... for or against. Which is why they've introduced a moratorium..

Facts will always stand you in better staid than anything else on these boards. You, and a few others here, seem to have missed a few along the line..

skintmacflint

tberry6686 wrote: »

I'd love to see how a fracing free Scotland will get on. Considering fracing is very commonly used in the oil industry, both on and offshore, a ban will cost thousands of jobs in the oil industry in Scotland.
Lets see Nicola explain that away.

SNP used an anti fracking stance as part of their GE 2015 campaign, issuing SNP badges with the logo Frack Off . Would be problematic for any other party normally to get round this.

However SNP will simply use their well tried and historically tested method of telling their supporters, 'It's for the future and well being of Scotland's children blah blah ' which has usually worked well for them.

That's how they've managed to put in place a policy which allows kids to be taken aside at school unannounced and interviewed by a school nurse and asked questions such as 'Do you feel content and listened to by your family etc etc. ' results of these interviews aren't shared with parents. Great isn't it.

Mistermeaner

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Onshore fracking is what we've been discussing. That's where the new licences are being granted. There can be no onshore jobs lost re fracking, when there aren't actually any yet. So nothing for Sturgeon to 'explain away'.

What happens to all that lovely onshore petchem processing stuff and related jobs when the feedstock runs out?

What is your stance regards the importing of fracked ethane to try and make grangemouth economically viable?

elantan

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Which proven evidence? Im not aware of any

I see the US dining out of cheap energy and pet chem feedstock, so much so that a major company in Scotland has spent multiple millions on ships and terminals to import fracked ethane into Scotland as that is more cost effective than northsea extraction - what does that tell you?

Time for the snp to make some tough decisions. Moaning is easy, Governing is hard especially when you made lots of silly promises to win the votes of the ignorant on emotive grounds

your no looking hard enough ... dig deeper

elantan

Generali wrote: »

Are the SNP going to revoke licences that have already been sold? That sounds expensive and a bit dodgy to me.

Aye its gonna be interesting to watch how this one plays out tbh ... I dont forgive them for allowing the CBM under the Forth ... Have still to hear a reasoned excuse for it as well ... dont worry I am keeping a wee eye on them and asking some questions ... why for instance do they just bang on about the NHS when it comes to TTIP... and where has all the TTIP stuff disappeared to?

elantan

ruggedtoast wrote: »

They do just let you out if you press the intercom at the barrier and explain you don't have any money though. Happened to me once when I had to rush my kid to hospital and wasn't thinking about car parks.

I'm not suggesting people do that, but they don't trap you in there if you haven't paid.

It still should be the same price across the UK though. If Scotland wants independence I don't see why they can't start by being independent of my taxes. Strangely that seems to the part of the nationalist agenda where the bombast suddenly goes quiet.

your getting confused again ( which often happens) when we get independence we wont have your taxes ... thats kinda part of the deal ... you keep yours we will keep ours ... unless ofcourse you live in Scotland ... then you have to pay into our pot