Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Exactly. If they don't like his conduct he can be deselected.

Look at the issues we face. The debt / deficit / Isis / EU and Greece / Refugee issues.

This is nothing in comparison.

Sure, and if Alex Salmond had leaked something like this you'd be brushing it off and saying just the same... Am not convinced, but is par for the course.

Anyway, seems HS2 won't be coming anywhere near Scotland or some northern areas either.. Neither the SNP or Tim Farron are pleased about that. Wonder how much Scotland's share is towards it ?

The £50bn High Speed Two rail link will not be extended to Scotland, as the team behind the project has found there is “no business case” for the undertaking.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snp-fury-as-hs2-finds-no-business-case-for-taking-fast-train-service-to-scotland-10272342.html

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Not least because he's now become a liability for other Lib Dem MP's and MSP's.. and trying to cling onto power at all costs looks pretty bad and undignified.

Maybe, but not your call is it?

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Anyway, seems HS2 won't be coming anywhere near Scotland or some northern areas either.. Neither the SNP or Tim Farron are pleased about that. Wonder how much Scotland's share is towards it ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/snp-fury-as-hs2-finds-no-business-case-for-taking-fast-train-service-to-scotland-10272342.html

the answer is zero, as scotland is a heavily subsidised region of the UK

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Maybe, but not your call is it?

No, I took that from the comments from Lib Dem supporters under the article on Libdemvoice actually. They're viewing him as a liability themselves. It'll be a good start to the SNP 2016 campaign if he stays. But I do think personally he should resign.

The Executive may think the outrage at Alistair’s actions is just the SNP whining and we can live through this. I think they are wrong.

The point is, or rather was, that the LibDems, refreshingly offered a NEW approach in 2010. As the LIbDem machine seeks to protect Carmichael, it simply shows that the LibDems, at the very least are no different that any of the others, at worse, cannot be trusted on this issue either.

Alistair has clearly made a catastrophic error of judgement which has cast a cloud over himself, the Lib Dems reputation nationally, in Scotland, but most of all, in Orkney and Shetland.

The decision is bound to be seen as cynical, and may rebound very badly on the Liberal Democrats in Scotland in the Holyrood election – where we might have hoped to make some modest gains.

A risky decision. This does nothing to break us out of the narrative that’s so far all but destroyed us at Westminster, and if it is allowed to run on into next year, it may well finish us off at Holyrood.

He lied to his constituents . . . He should resign.

It is not clear why Alistair Carmichael or his SpAd should be treated any more leniently than an ordinary civil servant caught out for the act of leaking.
It is not clear why Alistair Carmichael should be treated more leniently that someone who covered up the fact that he was caught by a speed camera and then told lies about it.

http://www.libdemvoice.org/breakingwillie-rennie-i-hope-that-fair-minded-people-will-give-alistair-carmichael-a-second-chance-46095.html#comments

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

the answer is zero, as scotland is a heavily subsidised region of the UK

Ok I wonder what Scotland's share of the borrowing the UK takes on to pay for HS2 will be ? And Scottish tax-payers billed with. Even though it won't be coming anywhere near the border, never mind anywhere near Edinburgh.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Ok I wonder what Scotland's share of the borrowing the UK takes on to pay for HS2 will be ? And Scottish tax-payers billed with. Even though it won't be coming anywhere near the border, never mind anywhere near Edinburgh.

You have to understand that different regions of the UK have to support other regions depending on the need at the time.

You know that London taxpayers overpay their share to subsidise a region like Scotland don't you?

This is because taking a wider view we want the whole of the UK to succeed.

Would you want Londoners to only pay out money on the basis they see a return from Scotland? I wouldn't because I don't want to encourage petty regional squabbles.

I'm glad they are validating HS2 on a business case basis. It would be stupid to throw money at it as a pure vanity project.

.string.

I remember Salmond being asked ( the context was the possibility -- at that time thought to be the likelihood -- of there being a Labour minority Government after the GE) how the SNP would influence a Labour Government Bill when voting against their Bill might defeat the Government and make it fall.

Using the HS2 as an example, hIs reply was that they would propose an amendment which started HS2 at Edinburgh and thence, through Glasgow, to England. That was to be a condition for their support of the Bill.

It's a well worn ploy.

But what is the business case for such a railway when it remains unconnected to the great cities of the south not to mention Europe until the latter days of its completion? Starting from the South it has more utility from the outset.

The HS2, or it's derivative, will reach Edinburgh (and beyond) in the future, unless of course, Scotland separated from the UK when the cost would not be borne by the UK in which case it may not happen at all.

CLAPTON

.string. wrote: »

I remember Salmond being asked ( the context was the possibility -- at that time thought to be the likelihood -- of there being a Labour minority Government after the GE) how the SNP would influence a Labour Government Bill when voting against their Bill might defeat the Government and make it fall.

Using the HS2 as an example, hIs reply was that they would propose an amendment which started HS2 at Edinburgh and thence, through Glasgow, to England. That was to be a condition for their support of the Bill.

It's a well worn ploy.

But what is the business case for such a railway when it remains unconnected to the great cities of the south not to mention Europe until the latter days of its completion? Starting from the South it has more utility from the outset.

The HS2, or it's derivative, will reach Edinburgh (and beyond) in the future, unless of course, Scotland separated from the UK when the cost would not be borne by the UK in which case it may not happen at all.

that would be different; it would be a massive subsidy for Scotland with benefits for no-one and so SNP would see that as a good thing.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

This is not something that is 'done by all politicians'. Dear me string. You really are reaching here aren't you.

Then you compare the whole incident to a deleted tweet ? Okay. :rotfl:

So again you dodge the argument.

Whatever, Shakey, whatever.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

You have to understand that different regions of the UK have to support other regions depending on the need at the time.

You know that London taxpayers overpay their share to subsidise a region like Scotland don't you?

This is because taking a wider view we want the whole of the UK to succeed.

Would you want Londoners to only pay out money on the basis they see a return from Scotland? I wouldn't because I don't want to encourage petty regional squabbles.

I'm glad they are validating HS2 on a business case basis. It would be stupid to throw money at it as a pure vanity project.

Yes, I understand what you're getting at. And I understand why you're saying it. But it won't play well in Scotland anymore. Not now. HS2 is already seem as a huge vanity project anyway before the first track has even been laid. There are many that can't really see the point of it. And even more than won't see the point of paying for it either.