Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

ruggedtoast

A lot of the SNP's voters don't want independence. How are they going to manage that with their core message?

Personally I can't stand them, they are weasels. But they have done very well at targetting a large segment of society in Scotland and presenting them with the novel message that they actually care what they think. Something our other UK politicians might try for once.

I have never been more despondent about politics in England. I think this year may well be the first time I don't vote in a general election.

Labour the Lib Dems and the Tories are all identikit examples of self serving toadies of the 1%. They will all do exactly the same things in exactly the same ways to benefit the same strata of the mega rich.

The Lib Dems are a hollow shell. Labour are so terrified of their Left wing roots Milliband can't bring himself to so much as breathe a word of a left wing policy that about 80% of the country wants, like nationalisation of the railways. And the Tories. My God. Well at least they are in some way honest about what they stand for. Corporations and the rights of rich people to remain rich, preferably with as many taxpayer subsidies as possible.

Maybe I will move to Scotland and vote SNP after all.

Gangaweed

What a pity they didn't vote to seperate from the UK.

I really wanted to see the most delusional politicians in the UK's socialist experiment fail miserably.

elantan

ruggedtoast wrote: »

And still vote on English laws.

Well, it's worth a try (thanks to Shakethedisease for suggesting the title. Easily the least worst thing she has ever contributed to this debate).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-30708925




Cheeks. Fat, fat cheeks. He has also doubtless just spotted a pie. An English pie that belong to an English person and is NOT HIS.

Meanwhile Nicola Sturgeon continues to not understand that she isn't actually in charge of Scotland.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/29/nicola-sturgeon-scottish-veto-eu-referendum




Nicola Sturgeon being assisted by one of her aides this morning

The Scottish people have spoken, they wish to remain part of the UK and it is time for the tail to stop wagging the dog. The salty rump of the SNP must be given the boot by pragmatic Scots later this year.

It will be intolerable if, just after having sensibly voted to maintain the union, Scots vote for a misanthropic local government of agitators whose only mission is to marginalise Scots from their brothers and sisters in the rest of the UK.

The SNP cant be trusted with Scotland's politics, they cant be trusted to tell the truth about Scotland's resources, they can't be trusted to work with rather than against their own national parliament.

And they certainly cant be trusted with Scotland's House Prices and Economy (which is what this entire post is about please God dont move it to Discussion Time).

The SNP dont vote on laws that do not concern Scotland ... never have done ... you want Scottish Labour Mp's me dear ...

Incidentally you really should understand Scotland is not a subsidy junkie ... they pay more than their fair share ... as has been proven time and time and time again

elantan

Gangaweed wrote: »

What a pity they didn't vote to seperate from the UK.

I really wanted to see the most delusional politicians in the UK's socialist experiment fail miserably.

Yep i wish they had too ... life would be so much better for all ... but they didnt ... cowards

elantan

.string. wrote: »

As I understand it, the SNP want's to put "Home Rule" as a policy in their manifesto. They claim that is what was offered in the "Vow" made by Cameron Miliband and Clegg.

Maybe it's time to have an all-UK Referendum on what to do with the Scots.

please do ... and kick Scotland out of the UK ... let them go ... give them independence ... Please I beg you

.string.

Oh no, that is not the referendum I had in mind, and certainly not an end result I would like since they have decided to stay with us - the Referendum would be to agree or not with the Devolution Arrangements ...

if and only if, that is, it was over the top and endangered the Union or was unfair to the rest of us.

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Labour are so terrified of their Left wing roots Milliband can't bring himself to so much as breathe a word of a left wing policy that about 80% of the country wants, like nationalisation of the railways.

No thanks. I suffered enough years of drivers simply not turning up so no trains ran. The tube strikes are a timely reminder of the considerate nature of the Unions to the rest of us.

elantan

.string. wrote: »

Oh no, that is not the referendum I had in mind, and certainly not an end result I would like since they have decided to stay with us - the Referendum would be to agree or not with the Devolution Arrangements ...

if and only if, that is, it was over the top and endangered the Union or was unfair to the rest of us.

Ermmmmm the devolution process has started already, it will continue till full independence happens whether you like it or not .... Its just a matter of time that's all

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Oh no, that is not the referendum I had in mind, and certainly not an end result I would like since they have decided to stay with us - the Referendum would be to agree or not with the Devolution Arrangements ...

if and only if, that is, it was over the top and endangered the Union or was unfair to the rest of us.

So what happens if the rest of the UK agree with any verdict, and Scotland doesn't ? In a democracy you can't 'make' one part of a union agree with the other..unless... no.. surely you aren't suggesting.. :eek:

I think you're probably still thinking in very narrow terms, and only thinking of the SNP as a few random annoying politicians. Instead of the...

Constituency votes 902,915 List votes 876,421

...Actual voters who voted for them in 2011, and the 190,000 who voted Yes that didn't. You should widen your views a little. If Scotland wants Devo max, then it will vote for the party that offers it. If it doesn't want Devo max then it won't. What's the problem there ? It's like voting Labour or Tory. You vote for policies you agree with. The SNP is no different. They didn't get where they are by magic ! Scottish voters put them where they are. It's not just down to 60 or so politicians.. Loads of us up here vote for them and in ever increasing numbers over the last 7 years too.

Once you wake up to that. Then you can put your wee 'Referendum would be to agree or not with the Devolution Arrangements' to bed. It's never going to happen. I got over the No vote. You should perhaps start getting over the fact that the SNP are still around and still 'may' be a major factor in May. It's just the way it is. And even if not the SNP, then Scottish Labour might be next to break away from UK Labour and give it a go.

The Scots want more powers. All the polls consistently point that way. It was why Devo-max was taken off the ballot paper in the first place. They knew it would win. Correctly assuming that Independence would be too far a leap. However, even after the referendum.. the Scots still want more powers. QED :- They'll vote for the party offering them. * See recent polls.

Scottish voting intentions for the May 2015 UK general election :
SNP 40.2% (+0.4)
Labour 26.2% (-1.1)
Conservatives 16.5% (+1.0)
UKIP 6.3% (+1.8)
Liberal Democrats 6.2% (-0.6)
Greens 4.2% (-1.3)
(The Poll of Polls uses the Scottish subsamples from all GB-wide polls that have been conducted entirely within the last seven days and for which datasets have been provided, and also all full-scale Scottish polls that have been conducted at least partly within the last seven days. Full-scale polls are given ten times the weighting of subsamples.)

It's not rocket science. And it's not the SNP. It's the Scots electorate. Nothing you can do about that really apart from hope another party gets more votes.

Back in 2010 at this time the Scottish polls looked like this :-

37% Lab
28% SNP
18% Con
13% Lib

Scottish Labour got 41 seats as well.. I don't think the SNP will do any wipeout..6 seats to 40 odd is pie in the sky. But still, it's interesting reading. There's been a change there eh ?

elantan

your right Shake the Disease, they wont do a wipe out, i think there are some in the SNP that are currently deluding themselves thinking they will, but then there are more in the Labour party deluding themselves that Labour will re-surge via Jim Murphy, he's even worse than the last eejit so goodness knows what they were thinking there.

I am looking forward to munching my popcorn and watching it all happen this year without the stress of who to vote for etc, i can just read all the guff and comment... One of the joys of choosing not to vote