Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Generali

.string. wrote: »

Would you please be specific and state which parts of the "vow" you would describe as Pork.

We've already established that STD didn't understand what 'pork' meant.

skintmacflint

Generali wrote: »

LOL. I can hear the SNP potential MPs salivating from here at the idea of all the juicy pork they can deliver to their constituents.

Holding the feet to the fire eh.

Or his other previous quote when he hoped to be in a similar position

'Make Westminster dance to a Scottish jig '

Somehow his Nat fans just fawn and adore him for his tendency for emotive historical rhetoric. Same with his Bonnie Dundee quote. While missing the irony of that one considering Cameron was PM at that time and may possibly be again.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

So much for anti-Scottish bias from the current UK government :

"There was much pre-Budget talk on whether there would be help for the North Sea oil industry. And here it is. From the start of next month there will be a "single, simple and generous tax allowance to stimulate investment at all stages of the industry". There will be new seismic surveys in under-explored areas of the UK Continental Shelf. And, perhaps most importantly, from next year, the Petroleum Revenue Tax will be cut from 50% to 35% to support continued production in older fields."

This an absolute commitment to protect the oil industry and hence jobs in the industry, many of which are in Scotland.

It's a really strong example of how the regions are being supported in difficult times.

That's a good thing. I agree. Westminster quite like the tax revenues from oil/gas too. It's of real benefit to our country ( UK ) after all.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

I expect no less nonsense from a SNP acolyte but a little honesty would be welcome.

The EU does NOT have any rule that Scotland MUST charge other UK young people more than EU students or home student :

Each parliament was free to decide their own level of fees.

Scotland chose to subsidise rich people and England limited their subsidises to poorer people. : nothing wrong with that as each is entitled to their own view.

However Scotland was totally free to charge the rest of UK students the same as the Scots and other EU: they is absolutely no EU.
Entirely consistent with 'anyone but the English'.

Stop charging your own students then. It's as simple as that. And it is EU law. The article I gave you was English students challenging it. It fell at the first hurdle I'm afraid. Don't expect free education from others, that you're not willing to shell out for, or prioritise yourselves.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Stop charging your own students then. It's as simple as that. And it is EU law. The article I gave you was English students challenging it. It fell at the first hurdle I'm afraid. Don't expect free education from others, that you're not willing to shell out for, or prioritise yourselves.

the decision to charge the rest of the UK differently than the Scots students is entirely the SNP decision : absolutely nothing to do with the EU.

the English student challenge was whether it is illegal under EU law.

whether Scotland and England have different rules is part of devolving powers to Scotland : if you don't like it then best to abolish Holyrood.

However, the decision to discrimination against the rest of the UK by Scotland is unique: no other administration discriminates against the Scottish.

Just another SNP lie but no matter acolytes just believe any rubbish from the chosen one.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

So still no answer to the question about which specific part of the vow has not been delivered. Just a counter question asking the same thing in reverse, transparent in its avoidance yet again of the point.

You have not been able to give anything specific whatsoever.

The fact of the matter is that the SNP is comparing what is on offer not with the vow itself but with the SNP's own separatist wish list. All this stuff about the "vow not being met" is pure BS aka spin aka a lie. The proposed change must satisfy all of the parties, most of all those that actually won the Referendum with 55% of the vote as expressed at the Scottish Referendum, plus the UK Government, not the SNP alone as your Granny clearly thinks.

The enactment of the vow will be in an early part of the Agenda of the next UK Parliament, whether it is Labour or Conservative ruling the roost there (reiterated by Cameron during QT today), so bang on time.

So it will soon be take-it-or-leave-it time - or try and sabotage and delay the increased powers for Scotland at your political peril. You will have to do without your magic powers.

As for rest about trolls and drips - I recognise the corny "debating" ploy, but it has no value. I prescribe a nice cup of tea and a reboot for humour.

String.. the Vow has not been enacted yet. Nothing has been passed into law, nothing has happened, nothing has been given, nothing has been granted nor immediately enacted upon. At the moment it's a series of proposals. That's as far as it's gotten.

Please stop deluding yourself. I'm not going to go any further round and round in circles with you insisting that something has happened, when it patently hasn't.

I can assure you that if there are more SNP members in parliament in May, then yes, it most certainly will be enacted, but probably with a few further ammendments and a little bit more to it. Not least because Labour has already promised to enhance it still further. Any hope of anything being passed into law, however, imho, does absolutely depend on SNP MP's in Westminster making sure they are. Because at the moment, they are being watered down and bits and pieces added and taken away..

As for your Granny stuff. Grow up. I'm a new Granny.. it's not a derogatory term by any means and shouldn't be used as such. And I'm shocked you and mcskinflint think it is to be honest. Aren't you a Grampa yourself ? Disappointing from you. Being a Gran is a wonderful thing, not an insult.. for anyone.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

the decision to charge the rest of the UK differently than the Scots students is entirely the SNP decision : absolutely nothing to do with the EU.

the English student challenge was whether it is illegal under EU law.

whether Scotland and England have different rules is part of devolving powers to Scotland : if you don't like it then best to abolish Holyrood.

However, the decision to discrimination against the rest of the UK by Scotland is unique: no other administration discriminates against the Scottish.

Just another SNP lie but no matter acolytes just believe any rubbish from the chosen one.

Yes it's an anomaly alright. Caused absolutely and no getting round it whatsoever... when Westminster started charging English students. Obviously a popular choice for everyone in England.. ( not ).. but you keep banging the drum about it being somehow down to the SNP. It's patent nonsense and you know it too.

Westminster charges English students.. well, that means that just about every other EU country with education free or much cheaper.. will be charging them too. The full amount as well. The higher they're raised, the more they are charged. EU law. That's what happens when you charge more for university education than just about anyone else in the EU I'm afraid. The students have to pay out..wherever they are.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

We've already established that STD didn't understand what 'pork' meant.

Oh well, never mind. At least I know what a hung parliament means.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes it's an anomaly alright. Caused absolutely and no getting round it whatsoever... when Westminster started charging English students. Obviously a popular choice for everyone in England.. ( not ).. but you keep banging the drum about it being somehow down to the SNP. It's patent nonsense and you know it too.

Westminster charges English students.. well, that means that just about every other EU country with education free or much cheaper.. will be charging them too. The full amount as well. The higher they're raised, the more they are charged. EU law. That's what happens when you charge more for university education than just about anyone else in the EU I'm afraid. The students have to pay out..wherever they are.

you grossly misunderstand the EU situation
UK students can study in other EU countries on the same conditions as the 'home' students in which they wish to study

so if the home students pay no fees then UK students (whether english, scottish, NI or welsh) pay no fees (e.g. all the Scandinavian countries )
if home student pay low (e.g France) then they are low for students from the UK

except of course in scotland where rest of UK have to pay fees whilst scottish students pay nothing.

zagubov

CLAPTON wrote: »

you grossly misunderstand the EU situation
UK students can study in other EU countries on the same conditions as the 'home' students in which they wish to study

so if the home students pay no fees then UK students (whether english, scottish, NI or welsh) pay no fees (e.g. all the Scandinavian countries )
if home student pay low (e.g France) then they are low for students from the UK

except of course in scotland where rest of UK have to pay fees whilst scottish students pay nothing.

What a bizarre notion. So a country like Scotland, with a tradition of studying at home has to simply pay for another country which has a conveniently cost-saving tradition of studying abroad where others have to pay for it.

Is any other country in the world joined to a country with the highest HE fees on the continent and therefore makes them vulnerable to such exploitation?

Generali wrote: »

Democracy isn't a party elected by 2% of the popular vote trying to force the 98% to do their bidding.

Weirdly, in some systems, it'll turn out that that is precisely what it it is. It would be better if there was considered discussion and thought on how this could be minimised or avoided. This can be postponed but not forever.