Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Would you please be specific and state which parts of the "vow" you would describe as Pork.

I'd describe all of it as mince actually. I didn't and don't believe a word of it.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'd describe all of it as mince actually. I didn't and don't believe a word of it.

So another sidestep to avoid admitting to promulgating an SNP lie.

The truth is that the vow is being met so the SNP and their minions pretend that it is not but will never give specifics when asked.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Well I guess Westminster shouldn't have introduced it for English students then. An economic basketcase such as Scotland couldn't afford to educate the hordes of English students that would no doubt descend for free..
If it were the other way round, you'd be barring Scots students, because 1000's of them would be on their way down. Daily Mail headlines are bad enough with just 40 Scots MP's mabye getting into Westminster. Can you imagine if it was 1000's of Scottish scrounging students !! No, English students shouldn't want to be scrounging off of Scottish Taxpayers largesse..

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/education/legal-challenge-over-fees-for-english-students-fails.20088061


Yes,, I think it was the Labour party in Holyrood that set those sliding scales up for MSP's ...obviously thinking they would be in power forever in Scotland. Then it all went a bit wrong..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-25305090
You should look further than headlines occasionally. They can be misleading. Nicola was never going to take that sort of pay rise. Neither was any other MSP with an 11% rise. Holyrood is quite good that way.

I understood that SNP was in power in Scotland: are they unable to change the law in since Labour were in power?

it's quite insulting to say just because because the SNP discriminate against Welsh, Northern Irish and English young people then we would do the same : have you any facts to back that up?
'anyone but the english' is a uniquely Scottish prejudice
Your scottish graduates are welcomed down south.

.string.

CLAPTON wrote: »

Your scottish graduates are welcomed down south.

:rotfl:You remember the Brain Drain? Well that would be the Jock Drip!!

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

I understood that SNP was in power in Scotland: are they unable to change the law in since Labour were in power?

it's quite insulting to say just because because the SNP discriminate against Welsh, Northern Irish and English young people then we would do the same : have you any facts to back that up?
'anyone but the english' is a uniquely Scottish prejudice
Your scottish graduates are welcomed down south.

It's an EU law. Look at the article again. You're too eager to point fingers. It's also been in place for a decade. The only changes made were Westminster voting to impose tutition fee's on English students. Am not sure why that would, or should involve Scotland having to rush about changing EU laws to suit.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

So another sidestep to avoid admitting to promulgating an SNP lie.

The truth is that the vow is being met so the SNP and their minions pretend that it is not but will never give specifics when asked.

Show me then. Where the Vow has been met so far ? Although I have to be honest I'm starting to think you're sadly just trolling. You used to post a decent amount of stuff for debate. It's now just 'Jock drip' ( insults to Scottish students ) and 'SNP minions'.. ( insulting around 45% of the Scottish electorate.

I didn't believe in the Vow, ( along with about 1.6 million others ) and I don't think the Smith Commission went far enough. The income tax offer is a poisoned chalice. The proposals themselves are also starting to be watered down already. And this is even before it hits Westminster for voting on.

The Crown Estate manages four rural estates in Scotland, mineral and salmon fishing rights, about half of the coastal foreshore and almost all of the seabed. It plays a key role in aquaculture, marine leisure, ports and harbours and offshore renewable energy.
The Smith Commission said Holyrood should be handed control over its assets and the revenues they generate...


But it emerged yesterday that after the transfer of its current assets, the organisation could then “start again” and enter new commercial deals in Scotland
Vivienne King, director of business operations and general counsel at the Crown Estate, said: “The Command Paper makes reference for it being possible for the Crown Estate to make investments in Scotland after the transfer and they will remain a reserved matter.”
Nationalist MSP Linda Fabiani, who sat on the Smith Commission, said this was “brand new” to her.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/crown-estate-devolution-a-recipe-for-chaos-1-3710021

THE Ministry of Defence has been accused of displaying a "deep lack of respect" for the devolution process, after it emerged that its officials had expressed fears that transferring powers from London would compromise Trident...Transfer of health and safety legislation was omitted from the final report and proposals over the Crown Estate have been watered down since it was published.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/mod-accused-of-scandalous-manoeuvring-behind-the-scenes-after-lobbying-of.120611591

It's not really starting out well delivering the recommendations 'point by point' is it ?

MumOf2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think one of the goals is an attempt to stop graduates moving away also, use their skills here. All about the jobs really. QUOTE]



If that's the case, the Scottish government hasn't managed to achieve the goal of stopping graduates moving away with our four. They fled to England as soon as they could and are now happy and successful in a country that offers limitless opportunities and encouragement rather than chronic resentment and blatant nationalism.


Must try harder...

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's an EU law. Look at the article again. You're too eager to point fingers. It's also been in place for a decade. The only changes made were Westminster voting to impose tutition fee's on English students. Am not sure why that would, or should involve Scotland having to rush about changing EU laws to suit.

I expect no less nonsense from a SNP acolyte but a little honesty would be welcome.

The EU does NOT have any rule that Scotland MUST charge other UK young people more than EU students or home student :

Each parliament was free to decide their own level of fees.

Scotland chose to subsidise rich people and England limited their subsidises to poorer people. : nothing wrong with that as each is entitled to their own view.

However Scotland was totally free to charge the rest of UK students the same as the Scots and other EU: they is absolutely no EU.
Entirely consistent with 'anyone but the English'.

kabayiri

So much for anti-Scottish bias from the current UK government :

"There was much pre-Budget talk on whether there would be help for the North Sea oil industry. And here it is. From the start of next month there will be a "single, simple and generous tax allowance to stimulate investment at all stages of the industry". There will be new seismic surveys in under-explored areas of the UK Continental Shelf. And, perhaps most importantly, from next year, the Petroleum Revenue Tax will be cut from 50% to 35% to support continued production in older fields."

This an absolute commitment to protect the oil industry and hence jobs in the industry, many of which are in Scotland.

It's a really strong example of how the regions are being supported in difficult times.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Show me then. Where the Vow has been met so far ? Although I have to be honest I'm starting to think you're sadly just trolling. You used to post a decent amount of stuff for debate. It's now just 'Jock drip' ( insults to Scottish students ) and 'SNP minions'.. ( insulting around 45% of the Scottish electorate.

I didn't believe in the Vow, ( along with about 1.6 million others ) and I don't think the Smith Commission went far enough. The income tax offer is a poisoned chalice. The proposals themselves are also starting to be watered down already.

So still no answer to the question about which specific part of the vow has not been delivered. Just a counter question asking the same thing in reverse, transparent in its avoidance yet again of the point.

You have not been able to give anything specific whatsoever.

The fact of the matter is that the SNP is comparing what is on offer not with the vow itself but with the SNP's own separatist wish list. All this stuff about the "vow not being met" is pure BS aka spin aka a lie. The proposed change must satisfy all of the parties, most of all those that actually won the Referendum with 55% of the vote as expressed at the Scottish Referendum, plus the UK Government, not the SNP alone as your Granny clearly thinks.

The enactment of the vow will be in an early part of the Agenda of the next UK Parliament, whether it is Labour or Conservative ruling the roost there (reiterated by Cameron during QT today), so bang on time.

So it will soon be take-it-or-leave-it time - or try and sabotage and delay the increased powers for Scotland at your political peril. You will have to do without your magic powers.

As for rest about trolls and drips - I recognise the corny "debating" ploy, but it has no value. I prescribe a nice cup of tea and a reboot for humour.