Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No you're right there. It never worked, not even close. The new plan is the same as the old one, only worse. It's likely to have even worse results.

I think it's called trying something different. With the hope of different economic results this time. A fine balance is needed. George Osborne only started to see a bit of a recovery when he eased off and yes, missed his targets doing so ! However, likes to gloss over that bit, as it's not what voters like you want to hear.

So perhaps easing off after all, might be the way forward.

The budget deficit has been reduced over the last 5 year but by less than planned.

The plan continues only a little bit behind.

Anyway I think we agree: the SNP believe that to continue borrowing indefinitely is a good thing.

N1AK

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You are joking lol ! Wasn't he saying that five years ago too ?

Unlikely, as that would mean they hadn't moved the goalposts repeatedly since then

It's easy to make pithy remarks about the governments failure to hit its original target; but it doesn't add any insight. The figures they based the original date on were widely accepted. It isn't like Labour were calling out the nominal GDP projections at the last election, nor are Labour complaining now about the 2% fall in effective tax rate during this parliament, both of which have had a huge impact on the budget.

I never thought the conservatives would hit their original target. Even if growth had been robust they'd have invariably used some of the money to buy votes but that's hardly the important point.

If you think cutting the deficit is important then ultimately it comes down to whether you think a Labour led coalition would have done a better job. For all the things I dislike about the Tories in power at the moment, I have literally no doubt that we'd have a larger deficit and larger national debt if we'd had a Labour led coalition; and I find it hard to believe that even rabidly loyal Labour supporters could think otherwise.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

My own is Phillipa Whitford, the breast cancer consultant who went 'viral' with her warnings during the referendum

Oh yes, the one who got caught red-handed making up lies about hospitals in England.

THE surgeon fronting the Yes campaign on the NHS is today exposed for spreading bogus claims about cancer treatment.

The furious boss of the hospital yesterday condemned her claims as “codswallop” and “a load of crap”

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/surgeon-exposed-spreading-bogus-claims-4103150

WHy am I not surprised she is now running for the SNP....

kabayiri

N1AK wrote: »

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If you think cutting the deficit is important then ultimately it comes down to whether you think a Labour led coalition would have done a better job. For all the things I dislike about the Tories in power at the moment, I have literally no doubt that we'd have a larger deficit and larger national debt if we'd had a Labour led coalition; and I find it hard to believe that even rabidly loyal Labour supporters could think otherwise.

Ah, a reasoned view

We are in a difficult time when it is hard to increase tax receipts. The French have ably demonstrated what happens when you try and tax the rich more.

Then there is the issue of a struggling EuroZone, one of our most important trading partners. This is bound to impact export growth.

Revenue from oil is obviously down, and coupled with the cutbacks in investment in new oil fields, this is also going to hamper government revenues.

I'm sorry. I really can't see the justification for more spending "SNP style".

If anything, we need a harsh reality check.

N1AK

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Too Salmond centric. Nicola Sturgeon leads the party now.

And if Alex Salmond has ever quoted anything about Scotland getting anything at the 'expense of the rest of the UK' please do link to it.. ? Because that's the one thing he'd be extremely stupid to ever do. Call him many things, but he's no fool.

Ex-solicitor, active in party politics for 30 years, professional politician for ~16 years, hand-picked by Salmond; sounds like a real fresh face to shake up politics :rotfl:

I could show you a video of Salmond kicking an Englishman to death singing flower of Scotland and you'd deny it meant anything. What people communicate isn't the same as what they say then I'm certainly not going to persuade you.

As to your last point, I disagree. Stocking up, just enough, antipathy between the English and Scots is a very smart thing to do when your objective is to end the Union.

Shakethedisease

N1AK wrote: »

Unlikely, as that would mean they hadn't moved the goalposts repeatedly since then

It's easy to make pithy remarks about the governments failure to hit its original target; but it doesn't add any insight. The figures they based the original date on were widely accepted. It isn't like Labour were calling out the nominal GDP projections at the last election, nor are Labour complaining now about the 2% fall in effective tax rate during this parliament, both of which have had a huge impact on the budget.

I never thought the conservatives would hit their original target. Even if growth had been robust they'd have invariably used some of the money to buy votes but that's hardly the important point.

If you think cutting the deficit is important then ultimately it comes down to whether you think a Labour led coalition would have done a better job. For all the things I dislike about the Tories in power at the moment, I have literally no doubt that we'd have a larger deficit and larger national debt if we'd had a Labour led coalition; and I find it hard to believe that even rabidly loyal Labour supporters could think otherwise.

No, ruggedtoast made a comment about how Scotland being kept by English taxpayer largesse, Tromking suggested the same. I asked how those borrowing and debt numbers were coming along ? Calpton has reverted to arguing about barnett, again..

But it was a comment on Scotland being kept by 'English taxpayer largesse' I responded to. Don't sweat it. Honestly.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Oh yes, the one who got caught red-handed making up lies about hospitals in England.


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/surgeon-exposed-spreading-bogus-claims-4103150

WHy am I not surprised she is now running for the SNP....

She was right it seems.. Ed Milliband and Jim Murphy said so last week.. to much hilarity and no doubt a few more SNP join ups at the sheer irony.

SCOTLAND cannot afford the havoc of a "Tory decade" under David Cameron that would result in more than £1 billion being wiped from the nation's NHS budget, Ed Miliband will warn today...

... Pointing to an overall reduction in public spending in Scotland of £2.7bn should the Conservatives win power - £500 for every man, woman and child - the Labour leader will say: "If the cuts are spread evenly, it would mean over £1bn of cuts to the NHS. This is the equivalent of 15,500 nurses and 3,500 GPs."
He will tell the party faithful: "Let's sound the alarm across Scotland about what these deep Tory cuts would mean for our NHS and public services. Let's sound the alarm across Scotland that they could do it without a majority. Let's sound the alarm across Scotland that this could happen in less than nine weeks' time. Let's sound the alarm across Scotland, defeat their austerity plan and stop a Tory decade."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/miliband-warns-tory-decade-could-rip-1bn-from-scotlands-nhs.120119771

Keep up.

Leanne1812

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I think you've done that to yourself Leanne.

Why not concentrate on enjoying where you live and getting on in life, rather than blaming your unhappiness on parochial ancient politics that are of no relevance whatsoever to the vast majority of the 6 billion people with whom you share a planet?

Am I just another wee lassie with a tin hat? :rotfl:


Does the fact that I take an interest in the future political landscape of my country irk you or makes you feel I'm somehow dissatisfied with my life? It may not matter too much to the 6 billion who share this planet but it does to me as I live here in Scotland and would you believe, austerity, cuts & taxes do affect me personally. I'm no different from any other UK resident. I'll vote for the party I feel best represent me & my views & that's nothing to be ashamed about.

What is frustrating is being part of this Union but really not being allowed to feel part of it. To remain a minor entity and keep quiet. If scots vote SNP then that's our democratic right. Why is everyone up in arms about this? Will the voice of 50 or so scots mp ever be louder than 600 UK mp's?

CLAPTON

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Am I just another wee lassie with a tin hat? :rotfl:


Does the fact that I take an interest in the future political landscape of my country irk you or makes you feel I'm somehow dissatisfied with my life? It may not matter too much to the 6 billion who share this planet but it does to me as I live here in Scotland and would you believe, austerity, cuts & taxes do affect me personally. I'm no different from any other UK resident. I'll vote for the party I feel best represent me & my views & that's nothing to be ashamed about.

What is frustrating is being part of this Union but really not being allowed to feel part of it. To remain a minor entity and keep quiet. If scots vote SNP then that's our democratic right. Why is everyone up in arms about this? Will the voice of 50 or so scots mp ever be louder than 600 UK mp's?

so your solution to the UK's (including Scotland) perceived problems are more and unending borrowing?
no better use of existing resources; no inventive solutions, just more borrowing?

Leanne1812

CLAPTON wrote: »

so your solution to the UK's (including Scotland) perceived problems are more and unending borrowing?
no better use of existing resources; no inventive solutions, just more borrowing?

Would you care to share your inventive vision for the UK going forward?

I don't recall saying I was all for unending borrowing, can you point out where I have?