Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

kabayiri

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I think you've done that to yourself Leanne.

Why not concentrate on enjoying where you live and getting on in life, rather than blaming your unhappiness on parochial ancient politics that are of no relevance whatsoever to the vast majority of the 6 billion people with whom you share a planet?

Too true.

There will *always* be someone else to blame for our ills for some. Westminster; Brussels; those pesky Eastern Europeans; bloomin' hard working Chinese or Indian people.

Ultimately, it's down to the hard working postive Scots, English and Welsh and Northern Irish to sort things

N1AK

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Wouldn't it be good for all of us to mix it up and turn Westminster upside down? An alternative voice to the 2 big parties, one of which will be our next gov. Aren't all Mp's there to represent their constituents? That's their intention as it should be.

I don't think voting SNP is a betrayal of the Union, however you can hardly blame the English voters in general for seeing it that way. The SNP battled passionately to leave the Union, Salmond made some pretty odious remarks about how he would be willing to exploit the "mighty hand" fate had dealt the SNP in 2010 to get a better deal for Scotland at the expense of the rest of the UK.

If all English voters were voting for the EnglishNP who were campaigning on the basis that they would look out for the English and take advantage of opportunities to exploit the Scottish you'd likely feel pretty ripped off.



As to turning Westminster upside down. Do you really think Salmond is all that different? He studied at St Andrews, went straight into the civil service, got a job in the civil service working for his wife!, then moved to working for a bank. He's been involved in politics since he was a student 40 odd years ago; he first became an MP 30 years ago.

Probably the only person more hypocritical than Alex Salmond when they attack 'the establishment' and pretend to be an outsider is Nigel Farage.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

Think you're having a laugh here. But was there not also an audience member who said they have very right to be there as part of the Union.?

Considering Salmonds use of emotive provocative phrases on Scotland turning Westminster upside down. Peasant revolt over HO, and him being the kingmaker .

Followed by Nanny and other SNP msps blatant hostility towards all other parties and anything Westminster. Making it clear their single purpose at WM is to protect Scotland and if it happens to benefit anyone else fair enough, but they're not bothered. As they don't want to be in it, then I think it's pretty obvious what the intention is.

Err I think the 'blatant hostility' goes both ways in Scotland. I don't think there's a Labour, Lib Dem or Tory MP or MSP that can respond to anything without mentioning 'Salmond, Sturgeon or SNP' at least 10 times in 2 or 3 minutes. It's actually part of the problem. In Scotland they've all become purely anti-SNP parties over the last few years. They've nothing else to offer. Scottish Labour plainly never got over 2007..

My respect for the tolerance of English people has grown immensely over recent months. Despite all the above and even some of the English press getting involved in the same , they've not fallen for it hook line and sinker.

I think there's a lesson to be learned here.

Not really. I can't think of one myself. Could you expand ?

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

my question is about the SNP policy

do they support continuous borrowing for ever?

you say you do as 'that's the way things work

when interest rates go up people will change their minds and wonder that people ever believed such rubbish: just as RBS has been airbrushed from SNP spin so will massive borrowing in due course.

They want to increase borrowing to boost public spending, but still bring the deficit down during the parliament. Labour pretty much want to do the same thing with a slightly lesser sum to the borrowing. Conservatives want to do the opposite. Is this news to you still ?

That's the policy. I posted you a whole BBC interview about it earlier. As for when to 'stop' and throwing words round like 'forever'. I don't have a crystal ball any more that you have. When do the Conservatives plan to stop borrowing completely ?

N1AK

Shakethedisease wrote: »

When do the Conservatives plan to stop borrowing completely ?

The current budget forecast is to have a surplus in 2018/2019.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see the quality of the candidates after the first few on the slate. Clearly there are going to be many SNP MPs (assuming the vote holds up) that nobody ever really thought would have a chance of getting in. Even now, people don't believe that they will get the same number of votes as the polls state (despite the polls being very bad at picking up large shifts in opinion such as this) although I believe that the SNP are going to get the vast majority of seats unless something changes in the meantime.

A fair whack of SNP MP candidates are well known faces from the Yes campaign. I'd say that in ( small ) part is what's keeping the vote up. They're very well known already, certainly among previous Yes voters. Labour MP's are actually having to go round doors this time. It's the first time anyone has seen their actual MP on the streets for years !

In Aus we have a problem with our current Government in that their are crap. We had a long lived and very successful Liberal Government followed by 2 terms of Labour. During that period of Labour Government we had a lot of the Liberal Old Guard retire. As a result we have a highly inexperienced team and it shows. They have no idea of how to run the place and have found it impossible to make the compromises necessary to get a budget etc through.

Presumably a lot of the SNP candidates would be in a similar position. Unless there are a lot of MSP members (e.g. Salmond) who stand for Westminster as well, presumably looking to resign their seat if they get in.

DAK what the quality of the slate is?

As my reply above, but even if the most confirmed unionist here gave you the names you would be unlikely to know any of them. Certainly not know enough about them to conclude 'quality' whatever that is ? The most contentious one is Mhari Black, who's only 20 and looking to unseat Douglas Alexander in Paisley South. Ashcroft had the SNP 8% ahead. But she's in for a very tough fight, due to her age and her twitter account. My own is Phillipa Whitford, the breast cancer consultant who went 'viral' with her warnings during the referendum ( now confirmed by Jim Murphy and Ed Milliband ) about what Tory cuts would mean for the Scottish NHS. She's been extremely visible about the streets here and manning street stalls etc. Most of them have pretty big majorities to overturn.. but stranger things have happened. Things look very different from five years ago.

All of them are likely to be inexperienced as MP's..since well, they've never been MP's before.

PS Yes, I stand by what I said about the polls. I can't be bothered explaining why the methodology suffers regardless of whether you use the 2010 or 2011 results.

No you out and out called BS when I suggested that most polling now in Scotland uses 2011 weighting. You're backtracking. In short, if it's a UK poll, they use 2010 weighting, if it's a purely Scottish wide poll they tend to use 2011 weighting. Hope that clears that up for you.

Shakethedisease

N1AK wrote: »

The current budget forecast is to have a surplus in 2018/2019.

You are joking lol ! Wasn't he saying that five years ago too ?

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They want to increase borrowing to boost public spending, but still bring the deficit down during the parliament. Labour pretty much want to do the same thing with a slightly lesser sum to the borrowing. Conservatives want to do the opposite. Is this news to you still ?

That's the policy. I posted you a whole BBC interview about it earlier. As for when to 'stop' and throwing words round like 'forever'. I don't have a crystal ball any more that you have. When do the Conservatives plan to stop borrowing completely ?

The conservative had the plan to stop further borrowing during this parliament i.e. the budget deficit was to be reduced to zero and then a small surplus to start repaying debt.

As we all know they haven't achieved that but their new plan is to eliminate the deficit by 2017/8. (opposed by Labour, LibDems and SNP)

A crystal ball is not what is asked: it is a plan and intention to live within the countries means: the SNP on behalf of Scotland seem not even to believe that living within its means is a economically sensible thing to do.

Shakethedisease

N1AK wrote: »

I don't think voting SNP is a betrayal of the Union, however you can hardly blame the English voters in general for seeing it that way. The SNP battled passionately to leave the Union, Salmond made some pretty odious remarks about how he would be willing to exploit the "mighty hand" fate had dealt the SNP in 2010 to get a better deal for Scotland at the expense of the rest of the UK.

If all English voters were voting for the EnglishNP who were campaigning on the basis that they would look out for the English and take advantage of opportunities to exploit the Scottish you'd likely feel pretty ripped off.



As to turning Westminster upside down. Do you really think Salmond is all that different? He studied at St Andrews, went straight into the civil service, got a job in the civil service working for his wife!, then moved to working for a bank. He's been involved in politics since he was a student 40 odd years ago; he first became an MP 30 years ago.

Probably the only person more hypocritical than Alex Salmond when they attack 'the establishment' and pretend to be an outsider is Nigel Farage.

Too Salmond centric. Nicola Sturgeon leads the party now. Stewart Hosie ( Westminster ) is deputy and Angus Robertson is the leader of the Westminster group of SNP MP's ( as well as campaign leader ). He will remain so. I think Mr Salmond would prefer a looser role tbh.

And if Alex Salmond has ever quoted anything about Scotland getting anything at the 'expense of the rest of the UK' please do link to it.. ? Because that's the one thing he'd be extremely stupid to ever do. Call him many things, but he's no fool.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

The conservative had the plan to stop further borrowing during this parliament i.e. the budget deficit was to be reduced to zero and then a small surplus to start repaying debt.

As we all know they haven't achieved that but their new plan is to eliminate the deficit by 2017/8. (opposed by Labour, LibDems and SNP)

No you're right there. It never worked, not even close. The new plan is the same as the old one, only worse. It's likely to have even worse results.

A crystal ball is not what is asked: it is a plan and intention to live within the countries means: the SNP on behalf of Scotland seem not even to believe that living within its means is a economically sensible thing to do.

I think it's called trying something different. With the hope of different economic results this time. A fine balance is needed. George Osborne only started to see a bit of a recovery when he eased off and yes, missed his targets doing so ! However, likes to gloss over that bit, as it's not what voters like you want to hear.

So perhaps easing off after all, might be the way forward.