Salmond and Sturgeon Want the English Fish for More Fat Subsidies

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Well yes there is, because as that economist explains, there are considerable means for manoeuvre, and the deficit would still go down over the course of the parliament ?

Oi Labour, you know that Smith commission thing ? We need a clause included so Holyrood can call the next indy ref whenever they want. Like Northern Ireland has. Just so next time there's none of this 'illegal' nonsense clogging up the airwaves... cos we would have held it anyway. Ta.

Anyway, am sure the front page of the Sun ( England/Wales only ) will bounce SNP support even higher tomorrow. Because we Scots can access the internet these days too. Absolutely appaulling stuff coming on the back of Alan Massies 'Thames running with blood', Max Hasting's rants this week and the Guardian's highland dancing incest cartoon yesterday.. Even BBC reporters and Ruth Davidson are sickened..

All turning into a little bit of a witch hunt isn't it ?

As of this moment the SNP policy is to continue borrowing for an indefinite time :
They wish to spend more than is raised in taxes.
They have no actual plan to reduce the Scottish budget / spending plans to balance and no commitment to do it within the next parliament or ever.

I don't read the sun so have no idea what you are referring to.

If they are being unpleasant because of some-ones race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, colour etc then I deeply regret that : sadly people buy this trash.
Equally it would be deeply upsetting if people changed their views about the merits of unending borrowing or independence because of it.

wotsthat

Generali wrote: »

Increasingly it looks like the Tories are pulling in front in the UK as a whole. I'm not sure the English are ready for Labour to come second in an Election and end up in Government, selling the Union out to a bunch of Nationalist zealots.

Labour are between a rock and a hard place. They don't want to rule out a coalition with the SNP because that a) might mean they don't get to form a government b) the threat of SNP in government might give them some leverage over the Tories later. However, if they don't rule out such a coalition they're going to lose votes in England - there's no appetite for the SNP in a UK government.

Of course, whatever happens it'll be simply brilliant for the SNP.

.string.

Regarding the UK National Debt, of which Scotland's share is just under 10% as I understand it, please refer to this
The UK National Debt

This is increasing because, essentially, each year the Government spends more than it gets and thus we have a Deficit so we need to cut back. If we get a surplus it will start to go down. (This obvious point is made for those who think they can get out of Debt by the use of further borrowing or just by Blah, Blah, Blah).

It could be worse:
The US National Debt

chucknorris

wotsthat wrote: »

Labour are between a rock and a hard place. They don't want to rule out a coalition with the SNP because that a) might mean they don't get to form a government b) the threat of SNP in government might give them some leverage over the Tories later. However, if they don't rule out such a coalition they're going to lose votes in England - there's no appetite for the SNP in a UK government.

Of course, whatever happens it'll be simply brilliant for the SNP.

After reading your post I realised that I hadn't checked the betfair price for a few days, I was quite surprised, labour have now drifted out even further to 2.92 in the 'most seats' market, the full show is:


1.54: Tories
2.92: Labour
90: Any other result (UKIP)
760: Lib dems

.string.

And, talking of deficit,

Scotland's public finances improve but lag behind UK, say government figures

Nice to see it's improving but that's not what, apparently, the SNP Government aim for which seems to be spend more, bribe the electorate, lie about Scotland's economic future, increase the UK National Debt, walk away.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9284?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PollingReport+%28UK+Polling+Report%29

Frothers gonna froth.

Increasingly it looks like the Tories are pulling in front in the UK as a whole. I'm not sure the English are ready for Labour to come second in an Election and end up in Government, selling the Union out to a bunch of Nationalist zealots.

I can think of little worse than the UK being run by a bunch of extremists like that. Thankfully it's looking less likely as time goes on. Plenty of time to get that lead out to 6-7%. Given that the poll showed a 2% Tory lead, it is quite conceivable that the Tories lead in the polls by 5% (or are still a % behind by the same logic of course). It is certainly the case that the momentum seems to be with the Conservatives.

Yes the Tories do seem to be making up ground. It's whether it will be enough or not. In 2010 Labour 29.7% and Conservatives 36.9% still wasn't enough to take the Tories over the line alone. No-one is denying that they may well get the most seats, it's how they make it past 323/6 that may be the problem.

If England is ready or not for anything else.. well am not sure what you think will actually happen if not ? Do tell ?

As for the picture? It's in the Sun's tradition to do this stuff. It really isn't that bad.

It IS that bad. There's been a concentrated effort over the last week of this sort of thing. And if even Ruth Davidson ( Tory Scotland leader ) is appaulled by it all things must be dire indeed. Iain McWhirter wrote the below before the Sun's double page spread. Oh look you may be an extremist..

The prospect of SNP participation in a future government of the UK was always going to rile a certain number of extremists south of the border...
...No one quotes from the most inflammatory political speech of modern times by accident. In doing so Mr Massie has brought a disgraceful taint of racial antagonism into a general election campaign. How could he?

..Allan Massie's Powellite diatribe is the extreme form of an attitude that has been widespread in the UK tabloid newspapers recently, though Scottish readers aren't often exposed to it because it is edited out of Scottish editions.
..There is a casual contempt for Scottish people who are routinely discussed in terms that would be inconceivable were they Afro-Caribbean or Jewish.

..But "rivers of blood" is something else. The Scots are being depicted as a kind of "enemy within", an alien force seeking to exert control over England. It is beyond the pale. We scribblers have a responsibility not to turn a general election into a witch hunt.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/columnists/a-general-election-campaign-that-is-turning-into-a-vile-witchhunt.120264319

Shakethedisease

chucknorris wrote: »

After reading your post I realised that I hadn't checked the betfair price for a few days, I was quite surprised, labour have now drifted out even further to 2.92 in the 'most seats' market, the full show is:


1.54: Tories
2.92: Labour
90: Any other result (UKIP)
760: Lib dems

Hung parliament still though on most of the betting arena's ?

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

And, talking of deficit,

Scotland's public finances improve but lag behind UK, say government figures

Nice to see it's improving but that's not what, apparently, the SNP Government aim for which seems to be spend more, bribe the electorate, lie about Scotland's economic future, increase the UK National Debt, walk away.

The headlines tomorrow will be full of screaming headlines containing 'Blow for SNP' no need to worry.

antrobus

.string. wrote: »

And, talking of deficit,

Scotland's public finances improve but lag behind UK, say government figures

Nice to see it's improving but that's not what, apparently, the SNP Government aim for which seems to be spend more, bribe the electorate, lie about Scotland's economic future, increase the UK National Debt, walk away.

The 2012/13 bulletin said Scotland's deficit was about £12bn or 8.3% of economic output....This year's bulletin revises the 2012/13 deficit to 9.7% of economic output, compared with 7.2% for the UK.

But not to worry, those were only "technical revisions".

Scotland's deficit as a share of GDP fell from 9.7% in 2012/13 to 8.1% in 2013/14 but was higher than the United Kingdom average of 5.6%.

So it looks like a fairly consistent 2.5% 'fiscal gap' between Scotland and the UK, even with all that 'extra' oil money thrown into the mix. That's quite an additional slice of 'austerity' to have to swallow.

And of course, Brent Crude ain't $100 any more.:)

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The headlines tomorrow will be full of screaming headlines containing 'Blow for SNP' no need to worry.

Maybe, but maybe not because we all know it is planned overspend.

PS - much of it was spend on the White paper, electorate bribes and the like no doubt.