Dangerous light bulbs

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deanos wrote: »

CE can mean China Export

http://www.ybw.com/expert-advice/vhf/news/509220/warning-don-t-get-confused-between-the-ce-mark-and-the-china-export-mark

This paragraph on Wiki is interesting:

China Export

A very similar CE marking has been alleged to stand for China Export because some Chinese manufacturers apply it to their products. However, the European Commission says that this is a misconception. The matter was raised at the European Parliament in 2008. The Commission responded that it was unaware of the existence of any "Chinese Export" mark and that, in its view, the incorrect application of the CE marking on products was unrelated to incorrect depictions of the symbol, although both practices took place. It had initiated the procedure to register CE marking as a Community collective trademark, and was in discussion with Chinese authorities to ensure compliance with European legislation.

It's true that the fraudulent use of the correct logo is subtley different from the use of a lookalike logo, but the intent to defraud is the same. From the quote above this point seems to have been lost on the EU.

System

Did the EU actually copyright their logo? Is it accepted outside Europe?

[Deleted User]

How does copyright work, does it only protect against direct copies or subtle lookalikes as well?

System

It looks as though until 2009 the CE mark was not trademarked and anybody could put it on the products.

frugal_mike

I believe some products can be self certified. A CE mark does not mean it has been independently tested. I would hope there is sufficient oversight of self certification, but where I work we've been given advice to be wary of CE marks when assessing COTS products.

[Deleted User]

frugal_mike wrote: »

I believe some products can be self certified.

That's true, but even if it weren't, quality marks are a bit naïve. Any company willing to produce dangerous equipment is not going to be put off by the need to forge a logo.

If all products were certified by an independent test house, it would be possible to publish a database of certificate numbers online. If the manufacturers then had to print their certificate number on the product instead of a logo, it would be simple to look and see if it's genuine.

emerald21

Stonker wrote: »

I'm not blaming anyone. Why are people so obnoxious?


I paid through secureid

Oh there are some corkers on this thread . Even had one who had the cheek to say I was making it up when I posted my query . I had the last laugh though

gik

emerald21 wrote: »

Oh there are some corkers on this thread . Even had one who had the cheek to say I was making it up when I posted my query . I had the last laugh though

What are you on about? Nobody on this thread has said you made anything up...you are now though!

tomtontom

emerald21 wrote: »

Oh there are some corkers on this thread . Even had one who had the cheek to say I was making it up when I posted my query . I had the last laugh though

What are you talking about - this is your first post on the thread?

Edit - looks like she's talking about this one, where she can't work out the difference between legal rights and a goodwill gesture.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5127419

marliepanda

Stonker wrote: »

I bought 3 shaun and they were quite cheap. now we know, we know not to touch them. I also don't leave them on unattended.


I can't believe these things can legally be sold, even in China

So they're not so dangerous you're going to stop using them? Can't be bad enough to complain about then?