What paint do the trade use for internal white woodwork

cyclonebri1

Must have been asked a thousand times but as products are allways being dumbed down it seems, what used to be best probably now isn't.

I've just wasted a morning attempting to gloss the kitchen.
The 5 year old solvent based white was a dirty shade of cream, so giving up on sb unless anyone knows of a non whitening variety????

I got Crown breatheasy quickdry satin finish.
Now, I rubbed the earlier painted stuff over with detergent then a quick knock down with emery cloth.
I had 1 unpainted plane 4 panel door to do that I had undercoated a week ago and 1 15 glass paneled door that is extremely awkward to repaint.
The finish with this paint is horrendous, the worst stuff I ever used.

The brush marks simply won't flat out and flow into each other as it dries back on either door, and spending 3 hours doing what should have been an hour and a half and still getting a crap finish, I taking the stuff back tomorrow.

Should have read the reviews, seems I'm not the only 1 who doesn't get on with it.

I'm normally a big fan of Wickes paint but I have to admit I haven't tried their water based yet, it was theire sb that has yellowed so badly, but that the green effectr not them.

So, mild rant over, any brand/type shine out, literally in effect.

System

For white gloss/emulsion I only use trade paints they are generally cheaper and I've never had a bad finish. Also when possible use a gloss roller rather than brushes.

brightontraveller

It’s a coin toss water based don’t yellow but are notorious for brush marks oil aren’t but do yellow the trick with water based is the technique with laying off the brush and preparation none I know on the market will give good finish if technique is wrong unfortunately

wallbash

Wish you luck in finding a solution to your problem, I have not been happy with the paint on offer for years.
Another vote for a small roller for doors. I used a brush for over thirty five years, but then tired a roller, firm fan now.

cyclonebri1

wallbash wrote: »

Wish you luck in finding a solution to your problem, I have not been happy with the paint on offer for years.
Another vote for a small roller for doors. I used a brush for over thirty five years, but then tired a roller, firm fan now.

Well there lies the issue really, you have to apply it by roller where possible because it looks, and applies like an emulsion, you almost paste it on.


Add to that the length of time the stuff I used took to dry in winter conditions, and the fact that it looks worse than badly applied undercoat, and I'm going to try either a different solvent based brand that has some resilience or even something other than brilliant white. I can't persevere with this stuff, this morning the plane panelled door that was newly undercoated is brilliant white, fair does, but it has a texture like a ploughed field.
I have had a pack of gloss rollers in the draw for years, never seen the need, but to be honest we have too many glass panelled doors and it's the sash bars that have to be brush painted that are coming out worst.

cyclonebri1

brightontraveller wrote: »

It’s a coin toss water based don’t yellow but are notorious for brush marks oil aren’t but do yellow the trick with water based is the technique with laying off the brush and preparation none I know on the market will give good finish if technique is wrong unfortunately

I understand your comments, but believe me my technique is fine, but for internal paint work finish and durability is paramount, this stuff isn't for me.

cyclonebri1

CHRISSYG wrote: »

For white gloss/emulsion I only use trade paints they are generally cheaper and I've never had a bad finish. Also when possible use a gloss roller rather than brushes.

Yes, know, but it's not really a case of cost here, I'm simply looking for something that works, we all know which did, trouble is due to eu regs they now don't.


And no, I'm not wanting to go back to lead based paint

Xeorix

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

Yes, know, but it's not really a case of cost here, I'm simply looking for something that works, we all know which did, trouble is due to eu regs they now don't.


And no, I'm not wanting to go back to lead based paint

We're renovating our house now and are using the Dulux Trade High Gloss paint, its solvent based.

I know the tins have gone to a fancy design recently, and not sure if the content is different, but out tin looks like this one:
http://www.diy.com/rooms/dulux-trade-interior-exterior-white-gloss-paint-1l/35990_BQ.prd

Our doors literally look better than new ones do (we had to buy 1 new door and ended up redoing it ourselves)

The key to a good finish is all in the preparation.
- Get the door sanded down and take the existing gloss off
- We gave ours 2 coats of undercoat/primer
- Then we applied the gloss

Don't bother with a roller, you can do it but theres not much point. Invest in a GOOD paintbrush, not these £2 ones. Go down to Wickes and look at the Hamilton ones.

I'll try and get a picture of the finished doors at some point

cyclonebri1

Well, the crown crap went back and I went with the consensus of opinion in this thread and many older ones.


I have a Johnstones trade centre 4 miles away, talked to the guys behind the counter and they called the texspert to be sure.


Advice was 1 possibly 2 coats of aqua undercoat and 1 top coat of aqua gloss.


£51 for 2.5ltrs each with some blagged discount so not dissimilar the shed prices for what is clearly inferior stuff.


The difference is unbelievable, it is actually gloss, not semi gloss or satin which is all the others can seem to produce, and you can actually use it as paint, almost like a conventional OB gloss.
Beads up nicely on the edge of the brush to paint to an edge and I'm totally delighted with the results after 1 under and 1 topcoat, time will tell re durability and whiteness.


Very little odour, quicker drying than the crown stuff, possibly the only fault, difficult to maintain a wet edge on tricky stuff like glass panel windows.


Overall fantastic considering modern constraints.

onomatopoeia99

You have a solution, but I'll add my experience for anyone that happens by. I did my hallway, which gets very little natural light, with Dulux trade high gloss about 18 months ago. I used their trade undercoat and primer as well. So far there is no sign of yellowing at all, whereas the "DIY shed" own brand white gloss I used in the bedroom had started to yellow significantly in only a couple of months.

The other thing is that the coverage is amazing, I bought a 5 litre tin and after doing six doors, skirting and all the archetraves I have over two thirds of it left.

cyclonebri1

onomatopoeia99 wrote: »

You have a solution, but I'll add my experience for anyone that happens by. I did my hallway, which gets very little natural light, with Dulux trade high gloss about 18 months ago. I used their trade undercoat and primer as well. So far there is no sign of yellowing at all, whereas the "DIY shed" own brand white gloss I used in the bedroom had started to yellow significantly in only a couple of months.

The other thing is that the coverage is amazing, I bought a 5 litre tin and after doing six doors, skirting and all the archetraves I have over two thirds of it left.

I'll add that to the fast expiring memory bank, something to bear in mind if this doesn't stand up well, thanks