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Tenant damaged my furniture
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You are wrong unfortunately.
The LL is entitled to be reimbursed for loss. The table was not new. She cannot charge for the full value as she has had use of it.
The tenant has reasonably replaced the table, probably to the value that would be owed.
No I am not 'wrong.'
This tenant had NO RIGHT to throw away the landlady's furniture.
I would definitely charge her for the table that she binned. And she can take the replacement one with her.
She had no right.
Who says that the landlady's table was not worth 3 times the value of the replacement?
I believe it is you that is wrong. This tenant had no right to throw away this table, because she fancied another one. She claims she broke the old one? Did she? We don't know, because she scrapped it.
What a cheek!Proud to have lost over 3 stone (45 pounds,) in the past year! :j Now a size 14!
You're not singing anymore........ You're not singing any-more!
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thank you-I'm glad it isn't just me that thinks this. Thankfully she has moved out now and we noticed all of this on the check out.
You're welcome.
If she has moved out now, make sure that you tell her that she can take the table she bought, and that you want yours back. If she hasn't got it; send her a bill for what it was worth. Tell the agent what you are doing and tell them this must never happen again.Proud to have lost over 3 stone (45 pounds,) in the past year! :j Now a size 14!
You're not singing anymore........ You're not singing any-more!0 -
And be very prepared for a TDS dispute saying "The table had clearly had X years usage and would be expected to last about X years, so effectively had zero/negligible real value. Also after damaging I provided a replacement, here's my receipt for more than zero.", which I'd actually bet on the tenant winning.If she hasn't got it; send her a bill for what it was worth0 -
And be very prepared for a TDS dispute saying "The table had clearly had X years usage and would be expected to last about X years, so effectively had zero/negligible real value. Also after damaging I provided a replacement, here's my receipt for more than zero.", which I'd actually bet on the tenant winning.
Thank you form your input. It was a table with about 8 months of use and she dismantled it and had it under her bed the whole time she lived there so there was very little wear and tear. I am however not claiming anything back from the tenant-money isn't really the issue, I am just not happy with the fact a tenant replaces furniture without any communication with me. It is also in her contract that she should inform the agents immediately if she accidently damages anything-something which she failed to do with the table and also two other things in the house.0 -
No I am not 'wrong.'
This tenant had NO RIGHT to throw away the landlady's furniture.
I would definitely charge her for the table that she binned. And she can take the replacement one with her.
She had no right.
Who says that the landlady's table was not worth 3 times the value of the replacement?
I believe it is you that is wrong. This tenant had no right to throw away this table, because she fancied another one. She claims she broke the old one? Did she? We don't know, because she scrapped it.
What a cheek!
The table was broken. It was worthless, a replacement was provided. Your OPINION does not changes these FACTS.
Are you a landlord? - i hope the answer is no.
You can try to charge her, and the TDS will say 'no', and you will have wasted time and money.
The table, regardless of what was paid for it, has had 'use' and even if the tenant had not replaced it, would still not be forced to pay the 'cost price'
You're right we dont know if she actually broke it or not, but based on what the OP has said, the advice is sound. You can speculate if you wish that the table has been broken down into it's component parts in order to build a raft to sail round the world if you wish. It is still no longer at the property.You're welcome.
If she has moved out now, make sure that you tell her that she can take the table she bought, and that you want yours back. If she hasn't got it; send her a bill for what it was worth. Tell the agent what you are doing and tell them this must never happen again.
Suggest you learnt the rules regarding 'betterment', or if not involved in a landlord capacity, move along.Thank you form your input. It was a table with about 8 months of use and she dismantled it and had it under her bed the whole time she lived there so there was very little wear and tear. I am however not claiming anything back from the tenant-money isn't really the issue, I am just not happy with the fact a tenant replaces furniture without any communication with me. It is also in her contract that she should inform the agents immediately if she accidently damages anything-something which she failed to do with the table and also two other things in the house.
Contracts... contracts say alot. But you have suffered no loss as a result of her not informing you of damage, the damage was already done. so the clause is... pointless.
So 8 months of use, + however long she was a tenant (doesnt matter if she used it or not) - was she a tenant, 6 months, 12, 24?
How much did the table cost?
I will reiterate my previous point (not having a go) whatever you place in the property, assume it will be destroyed and when its not, you win. You are letting someone use your possessions, who you have probably never met, for a prolonged period of time. Dont put valuables in such a position.
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I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill to be honest.
They unintentionally damaged it, so they replaced it. Seems fair enough to me.
You're running a business - don't take things so personally or you'll drive yourself mad renting out a property.0 -
The table was broken. It was worthless, a replacement was provided. Your OPINION does not changes these FACTS.
Are you a landlord? - i hope the answer is no.
You can try to charge her, and the TDS will say 'no', and you will have wasted time and money. The table, regardless of what was paid for it, has had 'use' and even if the tenant had not replaced it, would still not be forced to pay the 'cost price'
You're right we dont know if she actually broke it or not, but based on what the OP has said, the advice is sound. You can speculate if you wish that the table has been broken down into it's component parts in order to build a raft to sail round the world if you wish. It is still no longer at the property.
Suggest you learnt the rules regarding 'betterment', or if not involved in a landlord capacity, move along.
Kindly do not talk to me in this manner.
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I suggest you learn to read posts correctly, before you start barking and ranting at me.
The table WAS NOT BROKEN AND IT WAS NOT DAMAGED when the tenants moved in, which you would see if you read the original post correctly!Hi everyone
I own a house which I rent out on a furnished basis.
My tenant has just moved out and I have noticed that they have replaced my lounge coffee table with another one.
I asked my letting agents to find out what happened and they have said the tenant took apart the table as they didn't want to use it and when they reassembled it was unstable so decided to get a new one.
The tenant did not inform the letting agents/myself that they had damaged the table or that they were going to replace it.
Kelly
The tenant took the table apart and put it away, because she didn't want to use it. She then stuck her own table in place of it. Then when she tried to reassemble the OP's table, (at a later date,) she realised that she had damaged it whilst dissembling it and THREW IT AWAY.
The tenants are responsible for the damaged table. They should not have taken it apart, they should not have binned it, and they SHOULD be made to pay for the table. The OP does not want to claim from them: fine, but I would! I would take it off their deposit!And be very prepared for a TDS dispute saying "The table had clearly had X years usage and would be expected to last about X years, so effectively had zero/negligible real value. Also after damaging I provided a replacement, here's my receipt for more than zero.", which I'd actually bet on the tenant winning.
I am willing to bet the tenant would NOT win!
Damaging the landlords property and binning it without informing the landlord? And you think this is acceptable behaviour do you?!
Disgraceful attitudes from some people on this thread.
I am done discussing this now, as I can't be bothered to argue with people who think it's OK to yell and basically try and make out I don't know what I am talking about, when they haven't even read the original post properly!Proud to have lost over 3 stone (45 pounds,) in the past year! :j Now a size 14!
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Kindly do not talk to me in this manner.
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I suggest you learn to read posts correctly, before you start barking and ranting at me.
The table WAS NOT BROKEN AND IT WAS NOT DAMAGED when the tenants moved in, which you would see if you read the original post correctly!
This is the manner in which i speak, when i speak to people who have zero knowledge of the law, but feel their moral objection somehow supercedes this. No offence was meant.
I do hope you are not a landlord, as i suspect if you were, u would be a nightmare.
Clearly the table was not damaged prior to the tenancy, or the tenant would not owe anything at all. You opinion is fine to have, but has zero legal basis.
The tenant took the table apart and put it under her bed because she didn't want to use it. She then stuck her own table in place of it. Then when she tried to reassemble the OP's table, at a later date, she realised that she had damaged it whilst dissembling it and THREW IT AWAY.
And?
The tenants are responsible for the damaged table. They should not have taken it apart, they should not have binned it, and they SHOULD be made to pay for the table. The OP does not want to claim from them: fine, but I would! I would take it off their deposit!
And the TDS would tell you, that you could not, as that would be betterment. Go read about betterment before you respond again with this nonsense.
I am willing to bet the tenant would NOT win! Damaging the landlords property and binning it without informing the landlord? And you think this is acceptable behaviour do you?!
If I had a bookmakers licence i would be you odds of landlord winning at 10/1. The slim chance being that the tenant doesnt explain the situation properly.
Disgraceful attitudes from some people on this thread.
Tell me about it, some people have no understanding of how desposits or betterment work, but still spew out nonsense as if its fact...0 -
Hi everyone
I own a house which I rent out on a furnished basis.
My tenant has just moved out and I have noticed that they have replaced my lounge coffee table with another one.
I asked my letting agents to find out what happened and they have said the tenant took apart the table as they didn't want to use it and when they reassembled it was unstable so decided to get a new one.
The tenant did not inform the letting agents/myself that they had damaged the table or that they were going to replace it.
I am not happy with the table that the tenant has supplied but the letting agents have said it is in a good condition.
Can anyone offer me any advice on where I stand? I no I can't get my table back but I think it is unfair that the tenant gets away with chucking away my table without consulting me?
Many thanks
Kelly
According to this, the tenant stored the table and when moving out, went to reassemble it and it was not sturdy. So replaced with a new one. Sounds like she didn't use a coffee table at all while living there. It may be that the wood was warped due to storage making it wobbly. As for the light, she may not even know that she damaged it. She sounds like a very good tenant to me.
I've been renting the same house for 8 years and I have panic attacks when my landlords are coming over. We take care of the house as if our own but when something needs repaired, we somehow get the blame. It's so stressful and unnecessary. I end up delaying contacting them at times because of it. They are very overbearing and protective due to poor previous tenants.
The best thing to do is be thankful that these 2 minor issues were all that happened and that at least one of them was replaced. I think that says a lot of your tenant.0 -
According to this, the tenant stored the table and when moving out, went to reassemble it and it was not sturdy. So replaced with a new one. Sounds like she didn't use a coffee table at all while living there. It may be that the wood was warped due to storage making it wobbly. As for the light, she may not even know that she damaged it. She sounds like a very good tenant to me.
I've been renting the same house for 8 years and I have panic attacks when my landlords are coming over. We take care of the house as if our own but when something needs repaired, we somehow get the blame. It's so stressful and unnecessary. I end up delaying contacting them at times because of it. They are very overbearing and protective due to poor previous tenants.
The best thing to do is be thankful that these 2 minor issues were all that happened and that at least one of them was replaced. I think that says a lot of your tenant.
You sound like a great tenant and your landlord is lucky to have you.
I try and be a good landlord, I get everything fixed quickly when my tenant reports it and I have always agreed to anything that is requested.
I guess I just get a bit nervous when things aren't reported to me as I worry what else might be covered up.0
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