TFL - Traveling on DLR in London

adindas

I am aware that DLR in London span across Zone 1 in central London to Zone 4 (e.g. Woolwich Arsenal).

If for instance I had a travel card to cover zone 1&2 and I travelled to Zone 3&4 (beyond the zone) because I forgot to get off, so I will need to travel back Again. In this case when there is a ticket inspection ON THE DLR (not on the ticket barrier) within Zone 3 or 4 will I get fined??

I have read somewhere here in this forum a while ago (but could not find it anymore) mentioning that you will not get fined ON THE DLR, (but you will get fined if you try to pass the ticket barrier).
Is it true? Is there any official document where people could refer when such an incident happen ?

Thank you for your time …

whatmichaelsays

adindas wrote: »

I am aware that DLR in London span across Zone 1 in central London to Zone 4 (e.g. Woolwich Arsenal).

If for instance I had a travel card to cover zone 1&2 and I travelled to Zone 3&4 (beyond the zone) because I forgot to get off, so I will need to travel back Again. In this case when there is a ticket inspection ON THE DLR (not on the ticket barrier) within Zone 3 or 4 will I get fined??

I have read somewhere here in this forum a while ago (but could not find it anymore) mentioning that you will not get fined ON THE DLR, (but you will get fined if you try to pass the ticket barrier).
Is it true? Is there any official document where people could refer when such an incident happen ?

Thank you for your time …

You can get fined ON the DLR.

One of my colleagues got caught by one of Serco's [STRIKE]goons[/STRIKE] ticket inspectors with an un-validated Oyster card (in fairness, he did try to validate it but he mis-heard the beep). The inspectors were on the train from the first stop (Tower Gateway) but didn't start checking tickets until the train actually left the platform.

yorkie2

adindas wrote: »

I am aware that DLR in London span across Zone 1 in central London to Zone 4 (e.g. Woolwich Arsenal).

If for instance I had a travel card to cover zone 1&2 and I travelled to Zone 3&4 (beyond the zone) because I forgot to get off, so I will need to travel back Again. In this case when there is a ticket inspection ON THE DLR (not on the ticket barrier) within Zone 3 or 4 will I get fined??

Are you talking about a Travelcard held in paper format?

If you are caught outside your zones, you will either be issued with a Penalty Fare (for a genuine mistake), or you will be prosecuted (if there is evidence of an attempt to avoid payment of the fare), a guilty verdict would result in a criminal record and a fine.

adindas wrote: »

I have read somewhere here in this forum a while ago (but could not find it anymore) mentioning that you will not get fined ON THE DLR, (but you will get fined if you try to pass the ticket barrier).
Is it true? Is there any official document where people could refer when such an incident happen ?

Thank you for your time …

You will only be fined if a court finds you guilty of fare evasion.

For a mistake, it's 'just' a £40 penalty fare (or £80 if you don't pay promptly).

London50

How can anyone FORGET TO GET OFF at their station?? OK you can fall asleep or be engrossed in a book or other material but if you are travelling from A to B and going through xyz stations don't people these days lok as they are arriving at a station to see how many more stops until they get off??

London50

Perhaps the fact that I spent ALL of my working life commuting into London and travelling on all the lines in my work I may be a bit jaded about other travelers. My main thought was I need to get to xyz therefore how many stops before I get off. As for the basic question be it DLR or any other line if your ticket is not valid for the whole journey and you are caught on the train you are in breach of the travel rule and can be issued with a Penalty fare

SW17

Not all DLR stations have ticket barriers, so yes, they could issue a penalty fare if you were caught in the wrong zone. You'd basically be at the mercy of their goodwill, and while having an annual travelcard might indicate you're not an habitual fare dodger, if you managed to get all the way from zone 2-4 (awake) without realising you should have got off, they are unlikely to be too sympathetic.

yorkie2

adindas wrote: »

As I explained previously I was talking about a person who has an annual travelcard to cover Zone 1 & 2

Yep, I'd got that but, but such Travelcards can be held on Oyster or on paper.

adindas wrote: »

. So it is an Oystercard loaded with annual travelcard and not paper format.

As it's held on Oyster, then providing you have ensured that you are touched in, and you have sufficient PAYG balance (I'd recommend enabling auto top-up online to be safe), if you are inspected outside the Zones you are still valid because you will be treated as making a PAYG journey. If you got off at the next stop and went back to your correct stop and touched out, you'd not be charged either.

It is correct to say you'd not be charged a penalty fare or issued a fine, if you go out of your Zones when using a combination of Travelcard held on Oyster and Oyster PAYG, but you must be touched in and have sufficient balance.

adindas

yorkie2 wrote: »

Yep, I'd got that but, but such Travelcards can be held on Oyster or on paper.
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As it's held on Oyster, then providing you have ensured that you are touched in, and you have sufficient PAYG balance (I'd recommend enabling auto top-up online to be safe), if you are inspected outside the Zones you are still valid because you will be treated as making a PAYG journey. If you got off at the next stop and went back to your correct stop and touched out, you'd not be charged either.

It is correct to say you'd not be charged a penalty fare or issued a fine, if you go out of your Zones when using a combination of Travelcard held on Oyster and Oyster PAYG, but you must be touched in and have sufficient balance.

That is what I also have been thinking. I think the vast majority of people in possession of Annual seasoncard will have PAYG for Oyster Extension permit to be used for traveling outside their zone.

The advice given by some other people in this thread are misleading and from those who do not understand Annual Travelvard or probably never have an Annual Travelvard. In their mind is just about fare dodger and do not understand that such thing that people forget to get off happen all the time ....

Also I believe when the ticket enforcer on DLR touch the Oyster card to check the validity of the ticket they will automatically recognise the Annual Travelcard + PAYG to be used for oyster extension permit thus will automatically take the payment from PAYG as an Oyster Extension permit beyond your normal zone without never realize that traveling beyond your zone is intentionally or unintentionally.

wealdroam

adindas wrote: »

That is what I also have been thought. I think vast majority of people in possession of Annual seasoncard will have PAYG for Oyster Extension permit to be used for traveling outside their zone.

The advice given by some other people in this thread are misleading from those who do not understand Annual Travelvard or probably never have an Annual Travelvard. In their mind is just thinking about fare dodger and do not understand that such thing that people forget to gett off happen all the time ....

Also I believe when the ticket enforcer on DLR touch the Oyster card to check the validity of the ticket they will automatically recognise the Annual Travelcard + PAYG to be used for oyster extension permit thus will automatically take the payment from PAYG as an Oyster Extension permit beyond your normal zone wothout never realize that traveling beyond your zone is intentionally or unintentionally.

That's three times you have mentioned Oyster Extension permit.
That concept disappeared some years ago, May 2011 to be precise. See here.

As explained, travelling beyond your Travelcard zones is not a problem if your Travelcard is on Oyster and you have sufficient PAYG funds on your Oyster card.

benjus

Of course, it's only OK to travel outside your zones if you have PAYG credit AND you touched in at the start.

I have a zones 2-5 annual tavelcard on Oyster. I use the DLR every weekday, and don't bother touching in/out as there are no ticket barriers at the stations I use. That isn't a poblem - I've had my card checked by ticket inspectors many times - you only need to touch in and out if there are barriers or if you're using PAYG for any part of the journey.

So if there's a chance you might overshoot your stop, it's a good idea to touch in/out even if you don't need to.

glider3560

adindas wrote: »

The advice given by some other people in this thread are misleading from those who do not understand Annual Travelvard or probably never have an Annual Travelvard. In their mind is just thinking about fare dodger and do not understand that such thing that people forget to gett off happen all the time ....

The other advice you have been given is correct if you hold a *paper* annual Travelcard. In this case, you *cannot* travel beyond your zones without buying a ticket to complete your journey before boarding.