More evidence of nasty split

wymondham

Generali wrote: »

Kids Company describe the problem pretty succinctly on their website



I think that the question here needs to be, why are so many families struggling despite the massive resources thrown at them. Maybe we should be looking at more practical help and less chucking money at the problem in the hope that it goes away.

Don't tell Bob Geldof this.... he'll probably swear at you and then gather more nobodies to mumble to a tune for you...

N1AK

yertiz wrote: »

Still doesn't alter the facts, these are children whether their parents are property rich and/or cash poor.

If the issue is parents who will neglect children regardless of their finances then just throwing money at them won't help the children, and just wastes money instead.

Even if you're confident that the issue is insufficient support for the poor then a more in depth analysis would help because without the analysis you will struggle to persuade "benefit cynics" that the issue isn't the parents.

ruggedtoast

Generali wrote: »

Kids Company describe the problem pretty succinctly on their website



I think that the question here needs to be, why are so many families struggling despite the massive resources thrown at them. Maybe we should be looking at more practical help and less chucking money at the problem in the hope that it goes away.

I'm not sure the resources are that massive when you dont include housing benefit that just lines the pockets of private landlords.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I'm not sure the resources are that massive when you dont include housing benefit that just lines the pockets of private landlords.

all the actual evidence says you are incorrect

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

all the actual evidence says you are incorrect

Oh really, care to provide some?

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Oh really, care to provide some?

after you old boy

James_B.

Pobby wrote: »

In my opinion, we are approaching a time where we need to take a radical step in how this country is being run.

I don't agree. We should maybe take a radical step in how we allow families to be run, but would you really want that?

I rather get the impression that people like you would scream blue murder if the people who cause this (parents) were told by the state how to care for their children.

Pobby

James_B. wrote: »

I don't agree. We should maybe take a radical step in how we allow families to be run, but would you really want that?

I rather get the impression that people like you would scream blue murder if the people who cause this (parents) were told by the state how to care for their children.

Well funnily enough no. Please don`t assume. Telling parents how to care for their children is exactly what I think should happen. Well not telling but instructing and starting from an early age long before they have families.

I am excited by the possibility of some interesting voluntary work that might happen. Teaching adults to cook. In fact beyond that as to advise and help in how to shop in such a way as to not spend loads on awful prepared junk but rolling up the sleeves and preparing tasty and nourishing good food . I hope that my passion for cooking in some way shows it self.

Good food is not all about tackling hunger. It is about enhancing general health and emotional development.

ruggedtoast

Pobby wrote: »

Well funnily enough no. Please don`t assume. Telling parents how to care for their children is exactly what I think should happen. Well not telling but instructing and starting from an early age long before they have families.

I am excited by the possibility of some interesting voluntary work that might happen. Teaching adults to cook. In fact beyond that as to advise and help in how to shop in such a way as to not spend loads on awful prepared junk but rolling up the sleeves and preparing tasty and nourishing good food . I hope that my passion for cooking in some way shows it self.

Good food is not all about tackling hunger. It is about enhancing general health and emotional development.

One of my family members works in a family centre which is exactly the kind of service that caters for longitudinal good parenting, and funding is being absolutely decimated.

Its a real shame because the vast majority of 'poor parents' dont want to be. They come in asking for advice that might seem obvious to many of us, but they really need the help, and it really does make a difference.

The government absolutely hates it. I'm not sure if it's the innate ideology of the Tory party or that they just don't want to pay for anything that will extend past the next election. Whatever the case they arent content with just cutting the funding they are cutting the funding then forcing the service to repeatedly self audit itself so the government can use the reports to make it appear it isn't working and get rid of whats left.

It was working but now they have lost so many staff and the survivors have to spend more than 50% of their time sitting in the back office producing reports to central government to demonstrate how many leaflets they handed out, to which people, and to what result (rarely measurable), not so much.

Its a real shame, I didnt realise how devious central government was about these things.

James_B.

Pobby wrote: »

Well funnily enough no. Please don`t assume. Telling parents how to care for their children is exactly what I think should happen. Well not telling but instructing and starting from an early age long before they have families.

I am excited by the possibility of some interesting voluntary work that might happen. Teaching adults to cook. In fact beyond that as to advise and help in how to shop in such a way as to not spend loads on awful prepared junk but rolling up the sleeves and preparing tasty and nourishing good food . I hope that my passion for cooking in some way shows it self.

Good food is not all about tackling hunger. It is about enhancing general health and emotional development.

I'm in agreement with you, then. Sadly, though, with the best will in the world, we'll still have some parents who simply can't or won't take the time to cook meals, preferring instead to serve pop tarts and crisps. Short of taking the children off them, we can't do much more in these cases than ensure that at least they get a nutritious meal at school each day.