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End of tenancy advice

My Mother in law is moving out of her housing association property.
They are making some, in my view, outrageous demands as to condition on exit..

They want plants in the garden removed, a concrete bird
bath taking out, the cooker disconnecting and removing, carpet and floor coverings taken out, fitted cupboards removed ect.

All of this was already in when she moved in.

I've told her she needs to get a copy of the dual signed inventory (doesnt exit) and without that they cant prove any damage or not.

The house hasnt had any work done in a very long time, 20 years maybe, and I think they are just trying to pull a fast one and get her to pay for the clearance.

Additionally, she signed an end of tenancy form, where she agreed to do all of the above, she was told she had to sign it to give notice.

Do they have a leg to stand on if they try and charge her for removing the carpets or any other items that were already in place?
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  • G_M
    G_M Posts: 51,977 Forumite
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    Who owns the plants? the birdbath? the cooker? the carpets and cupboards?

    Were they there when she moved in, or did she put them in?
  • fishpond
    fishpond Posts: 1,022 Forumite
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    Dominicj wrote
    All of this was already in when she moved in.
    I am a LandLord,(under review) so there!:p
  • theartfullodger
    theartfullodger Posts: 15,803 Forumite
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    edited 16 November 2014 at 2:58PM
    Mum presumably needs to move out promptly: You don't want to compromise that. Promptly & in the mean time, suggest she/you starts a formal complaint, listing calmly & politely the points you make (in writing or by email), noting HA's "apparent" pressure & harassment on her at a vulnerable time. Most HAs have such procedures on their website..

    I would also ask (well, mum ask - you can draft letter/email) HA
    for evidence of moving-in inventory/condition.

    I would have mum depart, await the bill for sorting out those matters from HA then see them in court...

    Best wishes to you both...
  • kinger101
    kinger101 Posts: 6,672 Forumite
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    fishpond wrote: »
    Dominicj wrote
    All of this was already in when she moved in.

    Hmmm, the honeymoon (with G_M) period is over then ;)
    "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance" - Confucius
  • bris
    bris Posts: 10,548 Forumite
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    It's common practice for some HA tenancies, they need the place stripped bare and back in the same position it was rented to them.


    There is nothing illegal about it and yes they will charge for anything left on the property.
  • kinger101
    kinger101 Posts: 6,672 Forumite
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    bris wrote: »
    in the same position it was rented to them.

    But this stuff was already there. HA can hire their own skip to clear their own rubbish.
    "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance" - Confucius
  • G_M
    G_M Posts: 51,977 Forumite
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    fishpond wrote: »
    Dominicj wrote
    All of this was already in when she moved in.
    In that case not only can those items be left, they should be left.
  • pinkshoes
    pinkshoes Posts: 20,609 Forumite
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    G_M wrote: »
    In that case not only can those items be left, they should be left.

    The OP states that they have already signed a form agreeing to remove all these items.
    Should've = Should HAVE (not 'of')
    Would've = Would HAVE (not 'of')

    No, I am not perfect, but yes I do judge people on their use of basic English language. If you didn't know the above, then learn it! (If English is your second language, then you are forgiven!)
  • G_M
    G_M Posts: 51,977 Forumite
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    pinkshoes wrote: »
    The OP states that they have already signed a form agreeing to remove all these items.
    Oops. Yes.

    Rash.

    Though I wonder how enforcible that is? It does not form part of the original contract (under which the items should be left), nor does it comprise a contract in its own right (since there is no 'consideration' ie benefit paid/provided in return).
  • jjlandlord
    jjlandlord Posts: 5,099 Forumite
    edited 16 November 2014 at 6:46PM
    If they bring the fact that she signed I would get back to them pointing out that they made a old person (is she?) sign something under undue influence (if not duress) and false pretence without leaving her time to seek legal advice.
    she was told she had to sign it to give notice.
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