Rogue parking by non customers.

Rickofrock

I own a business in part of a business complex with a great big car park that has become a free for all and sundry.

The main offenders are people picking up and dropping off their kids 2 streets away, and local residents overnight parking, and sometimes all day, (This wouldn't be such a big issue but if there are 20 residents parking in our 100 space car park the issue becomes even more inflamed and apparent).

Some evenings when i close 1/4 of the car park is occupied by vehicles. We the business owners pay a service charge for the use of the car park. These residents contribute nothing. I have even seen a chap dropping off a work van and picking up a car which i assume he goes home in.

At a recent business tenants meeting we all found we were all having the same issue of our customers being unable to park during these times and even having issues parking when getting into work.

I know this forum is mostly about dodging parking charges, but for the sake of fairness and sanity can someone on here suggest a solution? We are considering NCP/Flashpark self ticketing as the landlords will not pay for a car park attendant, and reading these threads it seems hit and miss whether they would be enforceable?

pogofish

Rickofrock wrote: »

I know this forum is mostly about dodging parking charges,

Hmmm...?

Before you continue, please give us an example of any regular poster here advocating the "dodging" of any legit parking charge?

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Rickofrock wrote: »

I own a business in part of a business complex with a great big car park that has become a free for all and sundry.

The main offenders are people picking up and dropping off their kids 2 streets away, and local residents overnight parking, and sometimes all day, (This wouldn't be such a big issue but if there are 20 residents parking in our 100 space car park the issue becomes even more inflamed and apparent).

Some evenings when i close 1/4 of the car park is occupied by vehicles. We the business owners pay a service charge for the use of the car park. These residents contribute nothing. I have even seen a chap dropping off a work van and picking up a car which i assume he goes home in.

At a recent business tenants meeting we all found we were all having the same issue of our customers being unable to park during these times and even having issues parking when getting into work.

I know this forum is mostly about dodging parking charges, but for the sake of fairness and sanity can someone on here suggest a solution? We are considering NCP/Flashpark self ticketing as the landlords will not pay for a car park attendant, and reading these threads it seems hit and miss whether they would be enforceable?

your landlorsd doesn't give a flying thought to the excessive parking so there isn't anything that you can do about it except complain and put you concerns to him. any actions you take against the residents parking there without prior express written permission from the land owners is not enforceable, anything the land owner does he must be within the realms of common and legislative law.

Anything you do as tenant or employee is merely unenforceable or could be illegal if you take matters in you own hands as tenants.


Edit. You may also have to look at it from the landlords side of this also.
When the development was given planning permission, it may have only passed those stages with council putting clauses there that restricts what he can do.

bazster

Firstly be careful what you wish for. The previous post is correct, you are clearly not the lawful occupier of the land so there is nothing you can do, only your landlord can act, but you do not want to provoke him into bringing in a PPC: once they've driven away all the folk who aren't supposed to be there they will still want their pound of flesh and then it's you who will be in their sights. They will not care that you have a right to be there: permit upside-down, tyre a millimetre on a white line, bam! That'll be £100 please.

The_Deep

Mr B is right, the only way to control rogue parkers is to erect physical barriers, if the landlords will not play ball, try some very sticky labels on the windscreens.

Please be aware that leaving pieces of broken bottle anywere near their tyres, may not be entirely legal, and keying paintwork certainly is not, and under no circumstances send off for these, (they are much too expensive).

http://www.firequest.com/HV210.html

atrixblue.-MFR-.

The_Deep wrote: »

Mr B is right, the only way to control rogue parkers is to erect physical barriers, if the landlords will not play ball, try some very sticky labels on the windscreens.

Please be aware that leaving pieces of broken bottle anywere near their tyres, may not be entirely legal, and keying paintwork certainly is not, and under no circumstances send off for these, (they are much too expensive).

http://www.firequest.com/HV210.html

To erect physical barriers the LL must seek planning permission, and the costs the LL could reasonably increase the rent on the building to cover those costs to have the luxury of secured gated employment complex.


The landlord would also have to be mindfull what clauses and restirctions was giving to him by the council in the panning phases for the complex anyway. he may not be permitted to erect gates. he may have a clause that states local residents should be able to use it over night to ease residential parking problems in the area you don't know!

wiogs

The_Deep wrote: »

Mr B is right, the only way to control rogue parkers is to erect physical barriers, if the landlords will not play ball, try some very sticky labels on the windscreens.

Please be aware that leaving pieces of broken bottle anywere near their tyres, may not be entirely legal, and keying paintwork certainly is not, and under no circumstances send off for these, (they are much too expensive).

http://www.firequest.com/HV210.html

Why?

What would the purpose of these labels be?

The car park appears to have little or nothing in the way of restrictions so not sure what would be achieved by vandalising cars.

DJBenz

wiogs wrote: »

Why?

What would the purpose of these labels be?

They use them where I work for inconsiderate parking. They take some work to get off, even from glass. For the majority, the nuisance caused by the work in having to remove them is enough to make them think twice about parking badly.

There are, of course, the exceptions who put up with it in order to be 30 yards closer to the gate in the morning.

HO87

It is hardly in the spirit of fairness and sanity to suggest that this forum exists for the purpose of dodging parking tickets. Avoiding dodgy parking tickets is a slightly better description and your comment about parking tickets being potentially unenforceable suggests that you are at least half aware of the real situation.

The only way to prevent car park abuse is to stop the abusers (or at least those who become abusers) from entering in the first place. The simple answer (avoiding a lengthy reply to cover the possible eventualities) is, I'm afraid, that barriers are the only solution.

Your fellow tenants may be being swayed by the offer of what amounts to a bounty paid on each ticket paid. You might therefore want to ask them what the effect of wanton ticketing of otherwise genuine customers will be on their bottom line in a 12-months time? Despite what they [the PPC's] will earnestly insist - that they are there to protect your rights in the land - the reality is that employing a PPC will effectively mean handing your (albeit shared) car park over to them for them to exploit. And to the extent that your interests become damaged too.

I would think very hard before allowing a PPC anywhere near my business and I would urge you (and your colleagues) to consider how long it took you to gain a good reputation and how fragile and easily lost it may be.

Umkomaas

I would think very hard before allowing a PPC anywhere near my business and I would urge you (and your colleagues) to consider how long it took you to gain a good reputation and how fragile and easily lost it may be

I agree.

@OP - Google ParkingEye -v- Somerfield to see what can happen when retailers jump into bed with PPCs. Ask yourself where Somerfield is now? GONE!

And that's a large retailer; consider similar damage to a small business! What chance?

Coupon-mad

A barrier does no have to be an expensive gate - could be 2 or 3 parking posts joined by a chain, where the central one simply gets locked or unlocked as appropriate, and the chain removed & the post lowered for certain hours of the day (and certainly locked overnight with a sign saying they can phone to be released only from 8am or something). That would stop the overnighters from repeating it.