Annual Permit Charge On My Own Car Park Space

BenefitMaster

Nick_C wrote: »

Its difficult to quantify the cost of an outsider parking illegally on our estate, but the inconvenience is enormous.

By what statute is it illegal?

This is part of the issue - it's not illegal to park, though it may be unlawful. And you are allowed to take reasonable steps to prevent such parking, such as chained bays, barriers or similar, as long as they are clearly visible.

Clamping is illegal because the law says so. Trespassing isn't. If you don't like that, talk to your MP. In the meantime, calculate the genuine loss any of you suffers by someone "parking willy-nilly" in your bays, and get an ethical company in to issue PCN's for that amount and no more. Or use a barrier or ANPR system.

Coupon-mad

If enforcement stops working completely, then our only option would be a barrier at the entrance to the estate, with key codes and remote control from each individual flat. This is going to be prohibitively expensive for a small estate with only 21 flats.

I meant a parking post or two at the entrance, depending how wide it is. Not remote control, just keys, and say 2 posts with a gap between not large enough for a car. Each parking post can be bought online for under £40. You really do not need the bullyboys on site waiting to give you and yours a PCN, which they will when somehow your permit slips down one day or the PPC decide to update the permits without telling the residents...happens all the time.

visitors, tradesmen and delivery drivers

...will get the pcns sooner than you think, because a parking regime which 'WORKS' is no good for the Scammers as they make no money from it.

the "I can do what I like and I'm not going to pay for it" mentality promoted on these boards.

Show us those threads? THERE ARE NONE LIKE THAT. You really have missed the point of this board as we never tell people to park where they like.

The_Deep

Wow. So what's wrong with a simple, lockable parking post instead of using a knuckle-dragging PPC?

Nothing, if you can put one in without too much fannying about with planning permissions, etc. Also, they are not cheap, a remote controlled rising bollard for a 100 flats can cost £££, and tenants are always losing the remote thingies and/or taking them with them when they move on.

I know from experience that the simple lockable devices to which you refer just do not last. There is no doubt that a properly briefed PPC, who does not pester the good guys is a very satisfactory solution, if you can find one.

Nick_C

BenefitMaster wrote: »

By what statute is it illegal?

This is part of the issue - it's not illegal to park, though it may be unlawful.

The term illegal applies equally to breaches of criminal and civil law.

Arguing over semantics really adds nothing to the debate.

Nick_C

Coupon-mad wrote: »

I meant a parking post or two at the entrance, depending how wide it is. Not remote control, just keys, and say 2 posts with a gap between not large enough for a car. Each parking post can be bought online for under £40. You really do not need the bullyboys on site waiting to give you and yours a PCN, which they will when somehow your permit slips down one day or the PPC decide to update the permits without telling the residents...happens all the time.

...will get the pcns sooner than you think, because a parking regime which 'WORKS' is no good for the Scammers as they make no money from it.

So if we install two lockable posts at the entrance to the estate, how do visitors get in and out? How do delivery drivers and tradesmen get in and out? And the refuse trucks? And the gardener? And the window cleaner? This just wouldn't work.

We have used a parking management company for a number of years. We have a contract with them. We work together. They issue new permits through our residents' association / managing agent. The parking management company is not a problem. The people who trespass onto our land for free parking are a serious problem.

Nick_C

nick_c wrote: »

the "i can do what i like and i'm not going to pay for it" mentality promoted on these boards.

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coupon-mad wrote: »

show us those threads? There are none like that. You really have missed the point of this board as we never tell people to park where they like.

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ticket in a private car park in england/wales?... don't pay it

BenefitMaster

Nick_C wrote: »

The term illegal applies equally to breaches of criminal and civil law.

Arguing over semantics really adds nothing to the debate.

And you say you haven't been indoctrinated...

Pear

We have a barrier car park that you get in with a remote control that are only issued to residents. But you still have to pay and put up a permit issued by the parking management company. Then there are a few houses that have parking outside the car park which is locked by a barrier which these residents will have access to open with a remote control. These are controlled by a parking management company.

I can understand the outside parking that might be accessible to every to require a parking permit. But not in an underground car park that is only accessible to residents.

If remote control can be expensive due to people loosing them, then why not adopt those car park barrier that residents can open with a mobile phone.

Coupon-mad

Nick_C wrote: »

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Originally Posted by nick_c the "i can do what i like and i'm not going to pay for it" mentality promoted on these boards.
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show us those threads? There are none like that. You really have missed the point of this board as we never tell people to park where they like.

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ticket in a private car park in england/wales?... don't pay it

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Your point has not been made. Show us a thread which says "i can do what i like and i'm not going to pay for it." E.g. one which encourages people to park where they like (we never do) or one which tells people not to pay a P&D fee (we never do).

This forum is about the scam of PPCs and their extortion, impersonating parking tickets, ripping people off every day. Not telling people to park where they like.

How do visitors avoid a PCN?

How do delivery drivers and tradesmen avoid a PCN?

And the refuse trucks?

And the gardener?

And the window cleaner?

They will all have had them, you just won't have heard about it because they will either have paid up or ignored it. Issuing PCNs is what these scum firms do in residential car parks, the victims are mostly in-house and authorised visitors. If their system worked they would make no profit at all, so they 'have to' harass legit parkers.

What would you do if your permit slipped and YOU got one? Or if a relative visited you and got one?