Annual Permit Charge On My Own Car Park Space

The_Slithy_Tove

Pear wrote: »

We own that parking space, as we purchased the parking which was added on to the price of the property.

Nevertheless, you still MUST check the deeds/lease/whatever documents there are between you and the HA. Do you own the house outright (apart from mortgage) or does the HA have part share? HAs are, as I understand it, a bit different from your regular freeholder/landlord of leased properties. Which is why the paperwork is most important. Are there covenants concerning parking? Are there clauses about what the HA is allowed to do around management of the properties?


And don't deal with PCM. Deal with the HA. Organ grinder, not monkey, if you see what I mean.

Pear

Northlakes - the letter written from PCM covers two different types of residents. One are those residents who have purchased a parking space and blue badge pays one charge for the permit (assume mainly shared ownership and private tenants unless blue badge). Then the other residents who have been allocated a parking space. Both have to pay for the permit but those who purchased a parking pay less.

I will query with HA but it is not hopefully. They are not the best people to deal with and unhelpful. The development is a shamble!

Pear

The_Slithy_Tove wrote: »

Nevertheless, you still MUST check the deeds/lease/whatever documents there are between you and the HA. Do you own the house outright (apart from mortgage) or does the HA have part share? HAs are, as I understand it, a bit different from your regular freeholder/landlord of leased properties. Which is why the paperwork is most important. Are there covenants concerning parking? Are there clauses about what the HA is allowed to do around management of the properties?


And don't deal with PCM. Deal with the HA. Organ grinder, not monkey, if you see what I mean.

It is a shared ownership house (HA have a share in the property) and we had the option of buying a parking space, which we did. They added the cost of the parking to the property. I looked at the lease again, there does not seem to be much about car park space and mainly that we can only park in the allocated bay. The bit I did picked out is that the car park space is in accordance with HA regulation. So this bit would allow HA to manage the car park as they decide?

Pear

Coupon-mad wrote: »

I would be insisting that as owner you do not accept PCM in your space and if they touch any vehicle there they will be trespassing.

Touch any vehicle?! :shocked:

Vehicle in a development car park should be giving a sense of safety. Not the opposite that it could be damaged!

bod1467

What C-m meant was that the parking space was your land, so if they touched the vehicle (by affixing a PCN) then they would be trespassing. (She wasn't meaning they would damage the vehicle). However the shared-ownership angle may throw a curve-ball into all this.

Do you have legal expenses cover with your home insurance? If yes then I'd be making an appointment to get proper legal advice on what the HA can and can't do.

Nick_C

As a matter of interest, what are they charging for the permits?

I live in a small privately owned residential development. The flats are leasehold with a share of the freehold. We have a parking control scheme in place, including the private parking spaces. It is absolutely necessary because before we introduced it people who had no connection to the estate were parking here and then going into town to do their shopping.

Our parking management company does not make any charge for their service - they make their money through issuing tickets.

Unfortunately, the service is not as effective as it used to be. Now people know they can no longer be clamped and that they can contest parking charge notices, the trespassers are starting to creep back and use our parking spaces.

Parking management companies do a very good job for land owners, but as more people are now managing to avoid paying damages for trespass, their profits have been hit and its inevitable that more of them are going to have to start charging for their service.

Another sad symptom of the entitlement and blame culture that had destroyed our country.

Nodding_Donkey

Nick_C wrote: »

Parking management companies do a very good job for land owners, but as more people are now managing to avoid paying damages for trespass, their profits have been hit and its inevitable that more of them are going to have to start charging for their service.

That's the whole point, damages for trespass are just that. Profit doesn't come into it and is why so many people regard these charges as disguised penalties and not a gpeol.

The_Slithy_Tove

Nick_C wrote: »

Parking management companies do a very good job for land owners, but as more people are now managing to avoid paying damages for trespass, their profits have been hit and its inevitable that more of them are going to have to start charging for their service.

Another sad symptom of the entitlement and blame culture that had destroyed our country.

Entirely wrong! If you want your parking managed, they you'll have to pay for it. That's the only way a fair business model can come about. No PPC is meant to be making a profit from damages or breach of so-called contracts, which is why the whole PPC model is utterly corrupt.


When a PPC in a residential parking area sees their revenues fall, what they do is harass and penalise the genuine residents by issuing charges when a permit is slightly wonky or faded, or any number of other made-up infringements.

Coupon-mad

Nick_C wrote: »

As a matter of interest, what are they charging for the permits?

I live in a small privately owned residential development. The flats are leasehold with a share of the freehold. We have a parking control scheme in place, including the private parking spaces. It is absolutely necessary because before we introduced it people who had no connection to the estate were parking here and then going into town to do their shopping.

Our parking management company does not make any charge for their service - they make their money through issuing tickets.

Unfortunately, the service is not as effective as it used to be. Now people know they can no longer be clamped and that they can contest parking charge notices, the trespassers are starting to creep back and use our parking spaces.
Parking management companies do a very good job for land owners,

but as more people are now managing to avoid paying damages for trespass, their profits have been hit and its inevitable that more of them are going to have to start charging for their service.

Another sad symptom of the entitlement and blame culture that had destroyed our country.

Jeezus, they really have indoctrinated you, haven't they?! Wow. So what's wrong with a simple, lockable parking post instead of using a knuckle-dragging PPC? Do you also like to have a bouncer standing 'defending' your open front door, as you prefer the aggressive approach, to simply locking the door?

Nick_C

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Jeezus, they really have indoctrinated you, haven't they?! Wow. So what's wrong with a simple, lockable parking post instead of using a knuckle-dragging PPC? Do you also like to have a bouncer standing 'defending' your open front door, as you prefer the aggressive approach, to simply locking the door?

No one has indoctrinated me. We had a problem of trespassers parking on our land. A parking management company dealt with the problem very effectively until the law changed and they were no longer allowed to clamp, giving free-loaders the right to trespass with impunity.

The problem with a simple locking post is that (in addition to private residents' bays) we have four visitors' bays to protect, and people also park outside of the marked bays.

If enforcement stops working completely, then our only option would be a barrier at the entrance to the estate, with key codes and remote control from each individual flat. This is going to be prohibitively expensive for a small estate with only 21 flats.

Personally, if the parking management companies can't work effectively with the current legal framework, I would like to see trespass made a criminal offence. This is something I have actively campaigned against in the past, but unfortunately we now live in age where people think they are entitled to come on to our private land and park to avoid the cost of parking in the town centre where parking is properly enforced by the council.

Its difficult to quantify the cost of an outsider parking illegally on our estate, but the inconvenience is enormous. It can mean visitors, tradesmen and delivery drivers have nowhere to park. We suffer from people parking where they shouldn't; for example, directly outside the windows of the downstairs flats or obstructing access to garages. All because of the "I can do what I like and I'm not going to pay for it" mentality promoted on these boards.