'A better off Britain'

Graham_Devon

wotsthat wrote: »

You were having a purely theoretical debate about the true meaning of choice and lifestyle?

Yawn.

You've tried hard. I'll give you that.

Generali

BobQ wrote: »

Did I say I supported them? You are right however that these liberal headline grabbing views rather disguise the true intent. Thanks for your synopsis!

I am what I am, and cannot ignore my roots. I see nothing wrong with giving people the means to change their life. Opportunity and poverty rarely go together in my experience. You might see poverty as an incentive, I see it as an impediment.

Letting people keep the fruits of their labour is a more difficult concept to stomach. Do you mean before or after the pips squeak?:) The issue has always been fair taxation and then likes of Vodaphone and Amazon do not fall in with my concept of fairness.

I see poverty as both an incentive and an impediment. It's hard to do a course to improve your earning power if you're working every hour you can to pay for essentials and harder to start a business if you're living hand to mouth so can't afford to have anything other than positive cash flow.

However, if you can get paid more than the average wage for working 15 hours a week as the welfare state will prop you up then that effectively removes any incentive to change at all.

I don't pretend to have the answers but the current system seems to me to encourage indolence and then the problems of boredom, crime and substance abuse that goes with that.

By effectively keeping people in poverty we're not helping anyone. Not the poor and not the people who have to pay the bills.

N1AK

Graham_Devon wrote: »

The "costs will be passed on" is always the issue when dicussing anything business could do different...as if that's that and there is no other possible outcome.

No. It's what is said when governments force companies to do something extra.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Look at Google. If the perceived wisdom is that business cannot compete while offering more to their employers, google would be out of busness. As it is, it's taking over the world. They offer Creches, too.

The basic salary for a Google engineer is around £100,000 a year. Think it is equivalent to a nation with an average wage below a quarter of that is naive.