Parking on private land

quietcarlos

ezerscrooge wrote: »

Without going to the expense of barriers, why not put some fake ANPR cameras up and display some PPC-style signs - you could have your own made. You don't need need to issue tickets etc, but the signage could prove to be a useful deterent. You could attach a warning note to those vehicles that cause a problem on your site - stating that a formal parking charge will be issued next time.

Empty threats they may be, but it could well work.

Taking on a PPC would be foolhardy - Challenge the Fine is looking to having a class action court case with the PPC charges declared as unlawful penalties, meaning that PPCs would have to repay 6 years worth of charges - and that is lot of money they don't have. In the event that the PPC cannot cover this payment, then the liability could well fall on the landowner.

Yes that could work! I walk around the car park and challenge people parking that do not have our permits displayed, most of the time time they move or pay. Unfortunately we cannot patrol the car park all the time as we have a business to run. We could employ a retired person as a parking attendant but would they get verbally/physically abused.

ezerscrooge

I don't know how large your car park is, but if it is of a decent size, generating good income then take on an apprentice to stand at the entrance all day collecting money/checking permits.

You may even get a grant for taking them on (I think £1500 is the current rate), their training will be funded, and you can pay them £2.73 per hour. It will also give an unemployed youngster a reason to get out of bed on a morning. They may even be useful for your core business.

https://www.gov.uk/apprenticeships-guide/employers-taking-on-an-apprentice

quietcarlos

Its only 40 spaces and we are thinking of reducing that to 35. We are already looking at upgrading the external CCTV system.
Wow ezerscrooge, I didn't know schemes like that existed! They would need to 18+ to work in our core business but its a definite idea to pursue. Thanx for the link :-D

Half_way

If you can it may be worth posting a map link/streetview/google earth lin k to your car park/the car park in question more often than not a practical solution can easily be found.
One of the issues with the PPC model is that while it may seem to be a deterrent it doesnt really solve the key issue.
if an important area has been blocked no amount of parking charge notices will solve the problem, at the end of the day the car will still be there parking charge notices or not.

Private car parking companies are there to make money they dont care about your site/car parking all they want to do is collect their Parking charge notices
if you car park is running well, and no one is parking out of order the PPC isnt making any money and more often than not those who should be there end up being targeted so you end up with a conflict of interests
plus another issue with the stick approach is that its rotten to the core and you cant hit things that hard with a rotten stick.

HO87

I understand you frustration and I'm sure we have all suffered at some point or other as the result of idiot drivers who take double spaces because they have no idea how to park their oversized SUV or believe that their little darlings deserve all that extra space and prevent you from opening you driver's door.

That aside, whilst that may be both ignorant and damn inconvenient bringing in a company dedicated to emptying the pockets of anyone and everyuone they can and inevitably at the expense of the landowner is neither reasonable, nor responsible and is certainly not proportionate. The actions of these companies make it as clear as it could be possible that inspite of their claims to protect the interests of landowners the only real interest they have is in lining their pockets. This is about them making money off your back to your detriment (and everyone else). In all respects they bear the hallmarks of a parasite.

Barriers can be an obstruction to pedestrians but only if you make them so. As already pointed out pedestrians need a far narrower space to walk through then is necessary for a car. So leave a space.

If you run a permit scheme why not charge people for a keyfob to open the barrier? They cannot be readily copied and if lost generate revenue for the replacement. Lost keyfobs can simply be locked out. Using a driver-over raised grating at exit and a single, keyfob-operated barrier at the entrance you could keep costs down too. If you find you have spare spaces why not rent them out on an annual basis?

Quite why people think that penalising people is the easy answer when preventing them from doing what you don't want is far more effective I don't know? Perhaps it is because PPC sales people infect our roads leaping on the smallest opportunity to exploit?

pogofish

quietcarlos wrote: »

Ryan_Bryan wrote: »

Except you seem to have a beef with Coupon Mad. Acting like a PPC troll.

No one likes to be ridiculed or attacked for asking a serious question. My mistake was asking the question to someone who looked like they had the intelligence and facts to help me find a solution on a site that is set up to help people resolve a problem, not attempt to ridicule them.

So why then did you completely ignore the posting conditions/ettiquite you agreed to in your signup and pitch-up with a contentious post on a totally unrelated thread?

That's pretty troll-tastic behaviour, no...?

And its certainly not going to get you taken very seriously.

Umkomaas

Two points from me.

If you employ a PPC, even you are unlikely to remain immune, especially if their parking chimp is short on his targets for the month, and your tyre is touching a white line (or something equally trivial)! Then you'll find you've got a hill to climb in getting shot of their demands.

If you're a customer facing organisation (you don't indicate whether you are or not in your prior posts), then the PPC may well get rid of some rogue parkers, but their relentless quest to line their own pockets will see your customers (who you rely on to line your pockets) will just get p1ssed off with having to deal with their PCNs for minor infractions, and will just f*ck off somewhere else. Its a big and free market out there.

Be very careful what you wish for!

Coupon-mad

quietcarlos wrote: »

Ryan_Bryan wrote: »

Except you seem to have a beef with Coupon Mad. Acting like a PPC troll.

No one likes to be ridiculed or attacked for asking a serious question. My mistake was asking the question to someone who looked like they had the intelligence and facts to help me find a solution on a site that is set up to help people resolve a problem, not attempt to ridicule them.

So you posted this on the NEWBIES FAQs info thread:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/66923913#Comment_66923913

...and you then wondered why no-one else saw it and why I replied advising you to start this new thread and warning you to take a tin hat if you were going to start a thread along the lines 'would you park on my driveway'.

You came across as a PPC troll, simple as.

quietcarlos

Coupon-mad wrote: »

So you posted this on the NEWBIES FAQs info thread:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/66923913#Comment_66923913

...and you then wondered why no-one else saw it and why I replied advising you to start this new thread and warning you to take a tin hat if you were going to start a thread along the lines 'would you park on my driveway'.

You came across as a PPC troll, simple as.

It was your input I wanted, but instead of help you attempted to ridicule me. I don't post on this site very often, and your aggressive attitude isn't what I considered this site to be about. Lesson learned.

quietcarlos

Umkomaas wrote: »

Two points from me.

If you employ a PPC, even you are unlikely to remain immune, especially if their parking chimp is short on his targets for the month, and your tyre is touching a white line (or something equally trivial)! Then you'll find you've got a hill to climb in getting shot of their demands.

If you're a customer facing organisation (you don't indicate whether you are or not in your prior posts), then the PPC may well get rid of some rogue parkers, but their relentless quest to line their own pockets will see your customers (who you rely on to line your pockets) will just get p1ssed off with having to deal with their PCNs for minor infractions, and will just f*ck off somewhere else. Its a big and free market out there.

Be very careful what you wish for!

We don't want to employ these people, hence why I was asking for other options.