UKCPS County Court Form - We are going to pay - advice please

The_Deep

There is also the question of v.a.t.

UKCPS frequently indicate in the signage that, if you infringe their T&C, you are contractually agreeing to pay them £xxx, whereas most PPCs will demand a similar some as liquidated damages for breach of contract or trespass.

Now, a contractual sum is vatable, whereas liquidated damages are not.

Therefore, unless they have included v.a.t. in their invoice, it can be argued in front of a judge that the sum demanded is in fact a compensation for a breach, masquerading as a contractual term.

If it is a breach, it must be a genuine estimate of their losses. If this was a free car park, then they have none.

Did their invoice include v.a.t.? If not, you can ask for one, and if they refuse drop a line to HMRC.

nobbysn*ts

4consumerrights wrote: »

......................................As others have said even if you lose the case - there will be no record of a CCJ if you pay within 28 days.

I've applied for a few loans, the question as been

'Have you ever had a CCJ awarded against you'

It's not asking about if the CCJ is on the register or not, or if it's been settled. Just have I ever had one.

If I lie and say no, are you saying I'll never be caught, as they can't find out about it?

Bantex_2

So why did he park is a disabled bay?

bazster

Bantex wrote: »

So why did he park is a disabled bay?

So why do you think you are owed an answer to that?

Bantex_2

Because those that use disabled bays without having a good reason (related to disability) are selfish scum and deserve no help.

bazster

Bantex wrote: »

Because those that use disabled bays without having a good reason (related to disability) are selfish scum and deserve no help.

That doesn't answer the question.

Half_way

Bantex wrote: »

Because those that use disabled bays without having a good reason (related to disability) are selfish scum and deserve no help.

Ive got little sympathy with people who abuse disabled spaces, however you must weigh this up with the way that PPCs operate. on one side youve got disabled bay abusers, and on the other you have the parking companies.

As for parking in disabled bays when not disabled, there can be a whole set of reasons as to why people do this.
Off forum ( ie one to one ) I have helped people who have parked in disabled bays due to
badly marked car parking spaces
badly signed car parks ( signs hidden in bush)
uinlit signage/car parks
and the best of the lot: snow on car park obscuring markings

Then you also have the parent with child people who have a false sense of entitlement caused by the gimmick that is parent and child bays making them think they have a right to use disabled spaces if no P+C bays are available.

Its all a question of balance. PPC model vs disabled bay abusers.
In an ideal world disabled spaces would fall within the remit of council based regulated parking schemes backed up by statute and with a real appeal system in place so that those with no blue badge but a real need to use a disabled space could easily overturn a disabled bay 'fine' likewise those who park in badly marked/lit/signed spaces could do so as well
This would mean that non of the money would go into the pocket of a PPC.

gertysingh

nobbysn*ts wrote: »

I've applied for a few loans, the question as been

'Have you ever had a CCJ awarded against you'

It's not asking about if the CCJ is on the register or not, or if it's been settled. Just have I ever had one.

If I lie and say no, are you saying I'll never be caught, as they can't find out about it?

This does not make sense. See Bazster/CM/4C's responses.

A CCJ is not awarded against you unless you fail to pay a judgment order. Hence if you were ever asked (which is most unlikely except for by a potential landlord) then the truthful response is no.

Most companies will do a credit check and the CCJ will be there for the checking companies to see.

nobbysn*ts

gertysingh wrote: »

This does not make sense. See Bazster/CM/4C's responses.

A CCJ is not awarded against you unless you fail to pay a judgment order. Hence if you were ever asked (which is most unlikely except for by a potential landlord) then the truthful response is no.

Most companies will do a credit check and the CCJ will be there for the checking companies to see.

A CCJ is exactly what the letters stand for.
A county court judgement.
You can't be 'awarded' one, it's not a prize. It's a judgement in court. As soon as you get it, you're on the Register of Judgements, Orders and Fines. It you pay the judgement order within the month, you're taken off. But you still lost, you still had the CCJ against you, it's just no longer on the register.
If you pay immediately, as a paperwork exercise, the two happen simultaneously.
So, if you want to lie, and say there wasn't one, it's unlikely you'll be caught. But it doesn't mean it never happened.

Simple version here.
https://www.gov.uk/county-court-judgments-ccj-for-debt/ccjs-and-your-credit-rating

Coupon-mad

As soon as you get it, you're on the Register of Judgements, Orders and Fines.

I disagree that anyone would ever have to declare a CCJ removed/wiped from the register, otherwise people would have to declare if they ever got one IN ERROR which was then removed. That makes no sense. Your version is simply steering this thread off on a tangent again.

http://www.trustonline.org.uk/understand-judgments-fines/ccjs-and-county-courts/ccjs-what-are-they

'The Register of Judgments, Orders and Fines records CCJs for 6 years.
Most CCJs will appear on the register but there are some that don’t. To be capable of being registered the judgment must either have been issued in default (i.e a judgment without trial where no defence was entered) or else defended and payment is by instalment order or where enforcement action is being taken. (There are other conditions and exemptions and for the full list of criteria please refer to the latest statutory instrument relating to the Register of Judgments, Orders and Fines Regulations.)'

Staying off the register

Nearly all CCJs go on the register:

• Paying within a month The CCJ will be removed from the register if you pay in full within one month of the day of the judgment.