Electric only heating

crusty_dread

Thanks for all the replies...:)

Thanks particularly to Malc, maybe you could comment on the following..?

Very interesting regarding the E10 tariff. As we know, the 10 hours cheap rate are split over 3 periods.

I've been told by Eon these are:

02.30am - 07.30am - All electricity at cheap rate.
10.00am - 12.30pm - Cheap rate for heating only.
1.30pm - 4.00pm - Cheap rate for heating only.

I've gone over my bills from 1st Nov last year to 23rd Oct this year and added up my usage as per the bill format.

It works out at: 3011 KWh-day 527 KWh-night 2216 KWh-stored

As the night rate is charged the same as the stored, am I correct in thinking this for usage other than heating during the 2.30 - 7.30 period..?

Assuming this to be the case, the night and the stored usage could be combined to give a total cheap rate figure of 2743 KWh against a total peak rate of 3011 KWh.

If I'm correct we should be able to make some savings as we're using more peak rate than cheap rate. The washing machine is the only the only appliance we use on a timer for cheap rate and that's just for a 20 minute economy programme set for just before it ends for safety..:eek: No dishwasher, tumble dryer etc.

To help clarify, we only have one radio-type meter. The floor has it's own CU with isolators for each section. The only controls are wall stats. The (broken) water heating is wired through the regular CU with everything else.

I intend to run the figures through a comparison site to get some idea of savings soon. Would be good if we could take advantage of the MSE big winter switch.

All thoughts welcome...:)

Former_E.ON_Company_Representative:_Malc

Hi crusty_dread

You're right about the 5 hours at night (2.30am to 7.30am) being for all usage.

The heating usage at this time will be recorded as part of the 2216 kWh stored heat total. Provided, that is, it's coming through the dedicated heating circuits.

Night usage for other things, including heating not connected to the dedicated circuits, will be recorded separately as part of the 527 kWh night total.

The night and afternoon times seem fairly typical but I think you mean 10pm to 12.30am for the evening bit. Sorry to be picky.

Looking at your figures, you're using approx 48% of the total usage during the off peak times. That's not bad but be better if you can do more during these times. Hope the Saving Energy Toolkit gave you some useful tips.

If you've a minute, check out the energy use quiz too. It's a bit of fun and might give you a few ideas. Watch out for them vampires as well - sucking energy from appliances when you're not using them.

Good idea to run the figures through a comparison site. Although they don't list Economy 10 tariffs, they'll give you an idea of what else is available should you decide to change the meter.

You won't, though, be able to switch to the MSE Collective Switch tariff. This is for conventional single rate and Economy 7 meters. Economy 10 meters don't qualify.

Hope this helps crusty_dread.

Malc

crusty_dread

Hi Malc,

Thanks for the input. You're right of course about the evening times...:o

Going back to our usage, the 527 KWh figure can be accounted for by using the washing machine and showering just prior to the cheap rate ending in the morning. The machine washes at 30 degrees on a 20 minute economy programme. My partner showers at this time, I don't, so only one shower is at the cheap rate. We don't use anything else electrical at these times, nothing else we can use really.

So as you can see, the entire 2216 KWh stored figure, which makes up the bulk of the 48% has gone into heating the big concrete slab under the floor. I wouldn't mind if it was effective but it's not. I'm typing this at 5.00pm and the room temp is 16.8 degrees, which is as warm as it's been throughout the day. It will only get colder as the night goes on so we supplement it with an oil filled radiator at one end of the room and a panel heater at the other. The bedroom panel heater goes on for 20 minutes prior to bedtime too. All of these are using peak rate, but that's when we need them.

I put our figures through uSwitch, and they reckon we'd be £156 a year better off with E.ON's Energy Fixed 1 Year v12 tariff. I think I'm right in saying that this is a regular single rate tariff. Even accounting for the cheaper rate time on E10, this is a substantial amount. Made me think, although I'd want to firm up the costings a little before switching.

It's tempting to just forget about the underfloor and go with a single rate and panel heaters. It would be simpler and more controllable. I know some people may say it's expensive but then so is running an ineffectual heating system that means you pay over the odds for the rest of your electricity...:o Assuming our peak rate usage is 52%, we're paying for all of that at a higher rate in order to support the cheap rate heating which we end up supplementing with peak rate powered heaters anyway.!

To be honest, I wouldn't be too bothered about any savings if we could feel the benefit in terms of warmth.

We're generally pretty good on "vampire" gadgets, mainly because we don't have many..:) No TV boxes, consoles, stuff to leave on standby etc.

I really appreciate you taking the time to respond,

Looks like I may have more questions to answer now....!

touche23

Hello
this is my first ever reply so please bear with me!
I was in similar position as you 3 years ago. We had a coal fire connected to a back boiler heating our water and that was it. In the summer we just flicked the emersion on to heat water, but nothing else! We had no option of gas, so we didn't know which way to go. Having spent hours researching storage heaters we decided they weren't for us. So we now have electric radiators, and I have to say they are brilliant. Each radiator is independently controlled and can be set to whatever temperature. We are also on economy 10 through SSE and we get 10 hours of the entire electricity used at cheap rate. Winter months its 00.15 - 05.15, 13.15-16.15 & 20.15-22.15, through summer its an hour later. Everything is set on timers, inc radiators, immersion, washer, tumble dryer. We are on a prepayment meter so pay a higher rate but it works for us to budget. We live in a semi 3bed house built 1840's, no cavity wall insulation -as there is no cavity to fill! The coal fire was the only heating source for most of the life of the house, so you can imagine the damp. The first year of heating caused the damp to come out and various problems, but not unbearable. However last year through the winter we were using £5.50-6.50 of electricity a day. That was 6 radiators on 10hours a day, and 2 on nearly all day. Through summer months though £20.00 can last nearly 2 weeks. Our rates are£1.92 charge, 16.24p high rate & 9.55 cheap rate. As i said we are on a prepayment meter, not ideal but it works for us. Cheaper rates available for different payment methods. Our radiators are by electrorad and are the best decision we have made. Sorry for my long post but there are more options than storage heaters.

Richie-from-the-Boro

touche23 wrote: »

Hello
this is my first ever reply so please bear with me!
I was in similar position as you 3 years ago. We had a coal fire connected to a back boiler heating our water and that was it. In the summer we just flicked the emersion on to heat water, but nothing else! We had no option of gas, so we didn't know which way to go. Having spent hours researching storage heaters we decided they weren't for us. So we now have electric radiators, and I have to say they are brilliant. Each radiator is independently controlled and can be set to whatever temperature. We are also on economy 10 through SSE and we get 10 hours of the entire electricity used at cheap rate. Winter months its 00.15 - 05.15, 13.15-16.15 & 20.15-22.15, through summer its an hour later. Everything is set on timers, inc radiators, immersion, washer, tumble dryer. We are on a prepayment meter so pay a higher rate but it works for us to budget. We live in a semi 3bed house built 1840's, no cavity wall insulation -as there is no cavity to fill! The coal fire was the only heating source for most of the life of the house, so you can imagine the damp. The first year of heating caused the damp to come out and various problems, but not unbearable. However last year through the winter we were using £5.50-6.50 of electricity a day. That was 6 radiators on 10hours a day, and 2 on nearly all day. Through summer months though £20.00 can last nearly 2 weeks. Our rates are£1.92 charge, 16.24p high rate & 9.55 cheap rate. As i said we are on a prepayment meter, not ideal but it works for us. Cheaper rates available for different payment methods. Our radiators are by electrorad and are the best decision we have made. Sorry for my long post but there are more options than storage heaters.

- thought so - another first time poster - and you have those Paul Daniels magic German radiators
- how did all the regulars here know that was going to be the case .........

sheffield_lad

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

- thought so - another first time poster - and you have those Paul Daniels magic German radiators

What you mean those new German 'super efficient' radiators which do the same job as a £10 Argos one but cost £3.5k?


Magic (or it is for the installer), lol

System

touche23 wrote: »

Hello
this is my first ever reply so please bear with me!
I was in similar position as you 3 years ago. We had a coal fire connected to a back boiler heating our water and that was it. In the summer we just flicked the emersion on to heat water, but nothing else! We had no option of gas, so we didn't know which way to go. Having spent hours researching storage heaters we decided they weren't for us. So we now have electric radiators, and I have to say they are brilliant. Each radiator is independently controlled and can be set to whatever temperature. We are also on economy 10 through SSE and we get 10 hours of the entire electricity used at cheap rate. Winter months its 00.15 - 05.15, 13.15-16.15 & 20.15-22.15, through summer its an hour later. Everything is set on timers, inc radiators, immersion, washer, tumble dryer. We are on a prepayment meter so pay a higher rate but it works for us to budget. We live in a semi 3bed house built 1840's, no cavity wall insulation -as there is no cavity to fill! The coal fire was the only heating source for most of the life of the house, so you can imagine the damp. The first year of heating caused the damp to come out and various problems, but not unbearable. However last year through the winter we were using £5.50-6.50 of electricity a day. That was 6 radiators on 10hours a day, and 2 on nearly all day. Through summer months though £20.00 can last nearly 2 weeks. Our rates are£1.92 charge, 16.24p high rate & 9.55 cheap rate. As i said we are on a prepayment meter, not ideal but it works for us. Cheaper rates available for different payment methods. Our radiators are by electrorad and are the best decision we have made. Sorry for my long post but there are more options than storage heaters.

9.55 cheap rate is nearly double to my chap rate mine is 5.04 with eon.

I know i dont like storage heaters but if electric is your only way to heat storage heaters are the the cheapest form of electric heating.

Install NSH and go on a cheaper tariff save a few quid

leeruddecology

Mack

I've never heard of such a cheap rate. 5.04 sounds good. What's your standard rate and whats your package called.

My rates with Eon economy 18

Standing Charge (for payment with a Monthly Direct Debit) – 16.422p per day.
Standing Charge (for payment by any other method ) – 26.019p per day.
Day usage – 16.989p per kWh. Register 04 on the meter.
Night usage – 7.361p per kWh. Register 03 on the meter.
Stored Heat usage – 9.492p per kWh. Register 05 on the meter.

Richie-from-the-Boro

You can't really compare E18 Heatwise to E7 or E10.

System

leeruddecology wrote: »

Mack

I've never heard of such a cheap rate. 5.04 sounds good. What's your standard rate and whats your package called.

My rates with Eon economy 18

Standing Charge (for payment with a Monthly Direct Debit) – 16.422p per day.
Standing Charge (for payment by any other method ) – 26.019p per day.
Day usage – 16.989p per kWh. Register 04 on the meter.
Night usage – 7.361p per kWh. Register 03 on the meter.
Stored Heat usage – 9.492p per kWh. Register 05 on the meter.

Hi mate, i jumped on the v9 from eon (they had put the wrong prices on the net, i will be warm this year. thanks eon)

i am aon 1yr fixed v9

day rate is 12.35
night is 5.04
sc is 16.42

I live in the north east and i know others in other parts of the country there's is even cheaper than mine.

But saying that the tariff i was on before that was still way chear than than op is paying