Help with jobs please!

saintjammyswine

Brightspark87 wrote: »

Its not. Basically the cheap companies pay £15,000 a year which in central London is not enough to live on. Higher end (its basic terminology - I work in finance I keep it simply) pay more. As you can see from my other posts we are doing our best to reduce both debt and other payments. Yes he needs to be happy but also we cannot afford to increase debt or stop paying out less. We cannot move outside london as this would mean huge commuting costs for me.and or potentially him too.

No - I cant take on more hours I work at least 60 hours a week as an IFA (very early stages) again covered in my other posts.

Given you are trying to "reduce debt and other payments" is this really the best time to not only change job but also to change the industry he works in? Yes, a move is great when unhappy but surely he has higher priorities at the moment as a move now may add to stress/unhappiness as he may well be having to learn a new job and earn less money.

elsien

Brightspark87 wrote: »

The interview feedback was helpful but they seem to be giving responses that don't ring true - such as after the initial one what great sales experience / figures he had?! then saying not strong enough sales?

They don't ring true because they're saying that your OH wasn't good enough at this time which is very difficult for anyone to hear and which you both seem to be struggling with.

Having sufficient experience on paper or at a short introductory interview has got him to the next stage but obviously wasn't good enough in comparison with other candidates when push came to shove.
We've all interviewed people who come across very well initially but then don't quite get there when you examine things in more detail which appears to be the situation here.
Given that they've said it's a very demanding role, he needs to really think about what that means in practice and the differences between that what he's doing now. And how to communicate his passion for whatever it is, because for whatever reason that didn't come across to them either.
I don't think they're fobbing him off. You don't go into that level of detail to fob someone off, you just say thanks but no thanks.
So if he really thinks that despite what they've said he has enough relevant experience then he needs to be looking at himself and his interview techniques. Myself, I'd take the feedback at face value and looking at how feasible it might be to address some of the gaps.

Derwent

Brightspark87 wrote: »

I get moving down a rung or two but not cutting your salary from £25,000 to £15,000 in central London.

A "high end" manager on £25k per year ? The clerical staff get paid more than that at my place of work !

jobbingmusician

I agree with those who say this is excellent detailed and helpful feedback. There are two obvious areas to work on - letter writing and aptitude. I suspect OH could google and find similar aptitude tests online to practise on, and if he was brave enough (not said sarcastically BTW! ) he could even post a sample letter on here and ask people to comment on the style, grammar and content.

tea_lover

Brightspark87 wrote: »

I get moving down a rung or two but not cutting your salary from £25,000 to £15,000 in central London.

High end manager (whatever that is) of a world famous store, in London and he's on £25k? Without meaning to sound rude it does come across like your husband might be rating himself higher than other people are.

Errata

My relly earns more than £25k in retail in central London, and they're a very long way down the ladder from being a 'high end' manager. Although the OP hasn't yet disclosed what her OH's job title actually is.
That aside, selling in, say Harrods, is a very different kettle of fish to the sales skills needed to sell holidays at Voyages Jules Verne.

Brightspark87

tea_lover wrote: »

High end manager (whatever that is) of a world famous store, in London and he's on £25k? Without meaning to sound rude it does come across like your husband might be rating himself higher than other people are.

He is at the highest level management in store for a luxury retailer (within a VERY famous london store) not the stores management. As I said before, he doesn't think of himself highly and has regularly asked for pay rises and reviews and hasn't got anywhere.

His salary is not the best, and if anything he now thinks he is worthless and doesn't have a chance. I am literally quoting from his contract with the details (such a high end manager - it means the highest grade) please don't focus on this rather just thinking of how he could move out of retail into travel sales where his passion is.

Plus have you seen retail salaries even in London? When he first moved here he go £16,500 as a deputy.

Brightspark87

oh and this job was already a pay cut and at the bottom rung of the ladder. £20,000 a year as a new starter. He didnt try and go straight to the top.

So many people don't seem to be actually understanding the point of this and calling me names rather than answering the main point of me posting. I understand you may want to take the mick out of me or the way I have put something but honestly, out of all these posters have you thought about the fact that there is someone who has to spent every christmas away from family, never gets a weekend off and who is constantly putting themselves down as someone who only works in the shop. Please think about the tough reality of certain groups of employees - retail is renowned for bad pay, long and awkward hours, physical days on your feet and bearing the brunt of the unhappy public.
However, he has worked for the company for some years and feels he owes them as they have helped him move up the ladder of management.

Perhaps some of you are lucky enough to not have money worries, or have amazing jobs that you love every second, but honestly think about the way you reply to someone who asks for help, rather than just respond with 'witty' comments that are completely unrelated.

Errata

Brightspark87 wrote: »

He is at the highest level management in store for a luxury retailer (within a VERY famous london store) not the stores management. As I said before, he doesn't think of himself highly and has regularly asked for pay rises and reviews and hasn't got anywhere.

His salary is not the best, and if anything he now thinks he is worthless and doesn't have a chance. I am literally quoting from his contract with the details (such a high end manager - it means the highest grade) please don't focus on this rather just thinking of how he could move out of retail into travel sales where his passion is.

Plus have you seen retail salaries even in London? When he first moved here he go £16,500 as a deputy.

OK fair enough. the phrase 'high end manager' is just bullshlt bingo.
If he can't sell himself and achieve a review from his line manager, not once but several times, then it sounds like he needs to work on his confidence - his sales 'bullshlt'. Perhaps this lack came across loud and strong at interview.

Brightspark87

elsien wrote: »

They don't ring true because they're saying that your OH wasn't good enough at this time which is very difficult for anyone to hear and which you both seem to be struggling with.

Having sufficient experience on paper or at a short introductory interview has got him to the next stage but obviously wasn't good enough in comparison with other candidates when push came to shove.
We've all interviewed people who come across very well initially but then don't quite get there when you examine things in more detail which appears to be the situation here.
Given that they've said it's a very demanding role, he needs to really think about what that means in practice and the differences between that what he's doing now. And how to communicate his passion for whatever it is, because for whatever reason that didn't come across to them either.
I don't think they're fobbing him off. You don't go into that level of detail to fob someone off, you just say thanks but no thanks.
So if he really thinks that despite what they've said he has enough relevant experience then he needs to be looking at himself and his interview techniques. Myself, I'd take the feedback at face value and looking at how feasible it might be to address some of the gaps.

You are right. thank you.