car Tax gaff or is this how they do it now ?

Marktheshark

Just spoken to someone who bought a car from a tin pot and most likely dealer.
They were only given the green slip as the seller did not have the actual V5.
They told them just use that to tax it, so they did.
Then they filled in the form for a Vc5.
DVLA voided the tax and have refunded it to the last keeper on the V5 who ever that is has just got a nice cheque.
They have now issued a new v5 in the new buyers name, but he has to tax the car again ??
As you can imagine he is not very happy at been over a hundred quid out of pocket.
DVLA have just said try reading the new rules next time.
Someone else has commented he should have gone to the post office, filled in the V5 application, given them the green slip and paid the post office £40 ?

Anyone know the correct answer ?

harveybobbles

Marktheshark wrote: »

Just spoken to someone who bought a car from a tin pot and most likely dealer.
They were only given the green slip as the seller did not have the actual V5.
They told them just use that to tax it, so they did.
Then they filled in the form for a Vc5.
DVLA voided the tax and have refunded it to the last keeper on the V5 who ever that is has just got a nice cheque.
They have now issued a new v5 in the new buyers name, but he has to tax the car again ??
As you can imagine he is not very happy at been over a hundred quid out of pocket.
DVLA have just said try reading the new rules next time.
Someone else has commented he should have gone to the post office, filled in the V5 application, given them the green slip and paid the post office £40 ?

Anyone know the correct answer ?

Am I missing something here? Whatst he £40 for the PO?

Ebe_Scrooge

Car tax rules changed on the 1st October. The tax is not now transferrable to the new owner - the previous owner gets a refund of any tax already paid, and the new owner has to tax it from the first of the month they buy the car. There's been plenty of discussion about it here and in the media.

Marktheshark

It would appear in this case as there was no v5 sent in, they refunded the old keeper the new keepers money when the v5 application hit the doormat
.

harveybobbles

Clear as mud.

Iceweasel

I don't understand how he is £100 out of pocket??

I also would like to know what the £40 at the Post Office is for.

As far as I can see all he needs to do is tax it on line or at the Post Office.

I don't see the dealer has done anything wrong at all.

Even before October when the rules changed all a new owner should have been given is the new owner part of the V5C

It would be wrong to get the complete V5C from the previous owner on a private sale, or from a dealer.

Iceweasel

Marktheshark wrote: »

It would appear in this case as there was no v5 sent in, they refunded the old keeper the new keepers money when the v5 application hit the doormat
.

This doesn't make any sense at all.

The new keeper isn't entitled to any money.

The old keeper automatically gets a refund of any complete unexpired months.

Who's doormat are you talking about?

Have you read the new rules yet?

All the motoring media have been talking about the rule changes for months.

He would save a little by waiting until the 1st of November before taxing it as long as he doesn't collect it or remove it from the dealer, as he will have to pay for the whole of this month and it's only 3 or 4 days away.

Marktheshark

The new keeper paid for the tax using the "green slip" and drove home as per "new rules"
That is the issue.
They refunded the new keepers money to the old keeper.

They claim as there was no v5 and he had to apply for one, there is a no mans land in the gap between application and registration.
Thus they refund any paid duty to the old keeper, regardless of who paid it.
Only probably effects people buying with green slips that have been passed around a few times and then have to apply for a V5.
DVLA said he should have waited for the V5 before taxing or paid the "post office fee" and given them the green slip and a v5 application?

facade

AIUI,

The new keeper uses the number on the green slip to tax it online.
This has an extra digit to trigger the refund of the current VED to the last keeper, and mark the VED paid as belonging to the new keeper.

Surely taking the green slip to the Post Office should do the same thing?

If no V5 appears within 6 weeks, the new keeper then applies for a replacement V5 at no cost by sending the green slip in to DVLA.

No refund of VED should be triggered by this as the date of transfer matches when the new VED was paid.

EDIT: are they saying that someone else already used the green slip number to apply for VED, but didn't get a V5? Then surely the number on the green slip should have been dead and DLVA online wouldn't accept it?

AdrianC

I can see a way in which the OP's described situation could happen...

A sells a car to B, sends the V5C back to Swansea with B's details on, and hands B the V5C/2 green slip.
B SORNs the car, waits until they receive the V5C in their own name, then sells the car to C, handing him a V5C/2.
C then uses that V5C/2 to tax the car.

EXCEPT... B handed C the V5C/2 from A's V5C, so C has apparently taxed the car for B's keepership of it. B then fills in the V5C in his own name with C's details and sends it back to Swansea, which triggers the refund of the tax that's apparently been paid for B's keepership of the car...

Looks like B has invented a nice little scam. It should be straightforward to get around, though - just by following the usual old-school basic checks. Make sure you're filling in and signing the V5C that the slip's coming from - check the doc refs match, and check online that they're the most recently issued V5C.

The "£40 at the PO" suggestion is to have used a V62 plus £25 to say "I'm a new keeper for a car the V5C's lost for". Kinda the opposite problem here, since there's too many V5Cs involved, not too few...

Marktheshark

Adrian C, looks like you may have unravelled the mystery !
Knew someone would work it out.
Right back on to DVLA he shall get.

Short sharp lesson here, do not buy a car without a full V5, sign it and put your details in so they can not re-use it, if they dont have the v5 walk .
So he must have had it all along, well the sneaky devil .
Easy £123.75.

Thanks Adrian for working it out.
Well the sneaky *******