Using a season ticket and standard ticket for one journey

ricky_v

Hello,

I have a season ticket from station A to station B, however I want to travel to station C further up the line every now and again.

There's 2 types of trains which stop at station A, trains which stop at both station B and C, and express trains which passes through but doesn't stop at station B and goes straight onto C.

Obviously I want to get on the express train but am I able to use my season ticket and standard ticket on the express train? The season covering station A to B and standard covering B to C. According to the terms of carriage;

19. Using a combination of tickets
You may use two or more tickets for one journey as long as together they cover the entire
journey and one of the following applies:
(a)
they are both Zonal Tickets (unless special conditions prohibit their use);
(b)
the train you are in calls at a station where you change from one
ticket to another; or
(c)
one of the tickets is a Season Ticket (which for this purpose does not include
Season Tickets or travel passes issued on behalf of a passenger transport
executive or local authority) or a leisure travel pass, and the other ticket(s) is/are not.

Which tells me that the train doesn't have to stop at the station if the ticket is a combination of season and normal, but does have to if the tickets are 2 normal.

Many thanks

wealdroam

You seem to have answered your own question... or have I missed something?

yorkie2

ricky_v wrote: »

Which tells me that the train doesn't have to stop at the station if the ticket is a combination of season and normal, but does have to if the tickets are 2 normal.

Yes, you're right, one season and any number of non-Seasons and the train doesn't have to call anywhere.

Unfortunately MSE's ticket splitting guide doesn't make any mention of NRCoC (a) or (c), but there is a guide which does:

RailUK Fares & Ticketing Guide - Section 1 - Ticket Types & Conditions 1.6.2.3 Clause 19(c) - Season Tickets and Rovers

SickyNicky wrote: »

1.6.2.3 Clause 19(c) - Season Tickets and Rovers

If you have a season ticket (which is not issued by a passenger transport executive such as nTrain or TfGM, although TfL tickets ARE fine) you may combine this with any number of non-season tickets and use these on trains that don't stop where you change from one ticket to another

For the purposes of this clause, a rover ticket with a validity of a week or more (or of at least 3 days out of 7) counts as a season ticket and could be extended in the same way with no requirement to stop.

Remember that you cannot use two season tickets in this way. Only one of the tickets may be a season.

Freedom Passes are considered to be off peak season tickets but may also be combined with zonal tickets, including outboundary travelcard seasons. They are only valid on the services of participating train companies (the exclusions are listed here).

For example, a Manchester-Stockport Season holder could buy Stockport- Rugeley, Rugeley-Rugby, Rugby-Bletchley, Bletchley-Euston Day Single/Return tickets, and there would be no need for the train to call at any station whatsoever.

ricky_v

Many thanks for your replies I just wanted to make sure as it seems odd that you can use season tickets this way, and not with a normal ticket.

You seem to have answered your own question... or have I missed something?

I thought I was missing something!:rotfl: I didn't want to start arguing with a inspector quoting section 19 when I've misread it and look like a fool:embarasse

Again, thanks

Altarf

ricky_v wrote: »

I didn't want to start arguing with a inspector quoting section 19 when I've misread it and look like a fool

You may be right, but don't count on not needing to argue with a ticket inspector, because unfortunately there are too many of them who are fools.

dotdash79

I have a season ticket and a West Yorkshire Metro, my train never stops at the station where they overlap. In 9 months I'v only had one person questioning it.

wealdroam

dotdash79 wrote: »

I have a season ticket and a West Yorkshire Metro, my train never stops at the station where they overlap. In 9 months I'v only had one person questioning it.

And, as you know, that one person was mistaken.

As stated above, a season ticket can be combined with a ticket which is not a season ticket, and the train does not need to stop at the changeover station.

dotdash79

Yep I did get it in writing from West Yorkshire Metro before I spent £1800.

yorkie2

Altarf wrote: »

You may be right, but don't count on not needing to argue with a ticket inspector, because unfortunately there are too many of them who are fools.

It's a minority, I assure you.

Railway ticketing is very complex, and the Train Companies don't want to spend money providing comprehensive ticket training to all their staff. Many of them sensibly accept tickets they are unsure about.

If someone asks you to pay extra, when you already hold a valid ticket, ask them if they are sure, if they insist they are, pay it and retain (and photograph) all tickets, receipts etc and request a refund. I am happy to advise people in this situation.

The worst is an inspector who works for East Coast based at Newcastle. Initials "PS" (I'll resist the temptation to post his name, though he isn't afraid to announce his name)

He has charged many people incorrectly, including zzip00. I met zzip00 in a pub in York, gave some advice, arranged an email to be sent to a contact at EC, and all charges were dropped. However "PS" didn't change his ways, and since then incorrectly charged about 5 other people I know, and continues to do so, because no-one can stop him.

But people like "PS" are very much a minority!

Altarf

yorkie2 wrote: »

Railway ticketing is very complex, and the Train Companies don't want to spend money providing comprehensive ticket training to all their staff.

I wouldn't say the case you quoted - https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2628191 was complex, in fact far from it.

How much training does someone need to deal with an issue like that.

yorkie2 wrote: »

Many of them sensibly accept tickets they are unsure about.

Surely ALL of them should accept tickets that they are unsure of, not just many of them. If you don't know how to do your job, give the customer the benefit of the doubt.

If I come across something in my job I am unsure about, I check, I don't guess, and certainly not to the potential detriment of a customer.

yorkie2 wrote: »

If someone asks you to pay extra, when you already hold a valid ticket, ask them if they are sure, if they insist they are, pay it and retain (and photograph) all tickets, receipts etc and request a refund.

And what if you know they are wrong, because, like the example you quoted, they are incompetent at their job.

yorkie2 wrote: »

The worst is an inspector who works for East Coast based at Newcastle. Initials "PS" (I'll resist the temptation to post his name, though he isn't afraid to announce his name)

He has charged many people incorrectly, including zzip00. I met zzip00 in a pub in York, gave some advice, arranged an email to be sent to a contact at EC, and all charges were dropped. However "PS" didn't change his ways, and since then incorrectly charged about 5 other people I know, and continues to do so, because no-one can stop him.

There is someone who can stop him, his employer, who could sack him because he can't / won't do the job.

But unfortunately the railways still operate on a 1960's attitude, jobs for life, and the customer can get stuffed.

cookie365

yorkie2 wrote: »

If someone asks you to pay extra, when you already hold a valid ticket, ask them if they are sure, if they insist they are, pay it and retain (and photograph) all tickets, receipts etc and request a refund. I am happy to advise people in this situation.

Don't rail staff on these and similar forums often mention a passenger's 'attitude' can determine whether they get prosecuted or not?

I've never understood why the amount somebody should pay for a train journey should depend on their 'attitude'. But if an inspector has that kind of mentality, I suspect that a challenge from a passenger to their authority like this would mark them down as somebody with an 'attitude'.