Storage Heaters- Quantum- Dimplex or Creda ?

lstar337

brotherjackson wrote: »

I was going to go for the 125 (price is an issue also), but would you suggest the 150 ?
Cheers!

I would get the 150. Store as much cheap heat as possible because it is better to have too much than not enough!

lstar337

brotherjackson wrote: »

I wouldnt get dimplex to install, I would just order online and get delivered and get a local spark to install as its going in exact same place as old one.

That's MSE. :money:

bubbleoflife_2

I first saw it on the Daily Express page (although, I can't see it on their website now http://www.dailyexpressoffers.com/)
so I found it again here
http://easylifegroup.com/product/energy-efficient-room-heaters-45w-tube-heater-with-guard/5421/

On the Daily Express advert there are a few options
45W tube heater with guard
80W tube heater
80W Safety guard
135W tube heater
135W Safety guard

[Is there a way to add a picture? I've taken a photo of the Daily Express page but tore the top part of the page ]

Would anybody know if this heater is E-efficient?

lstar337

bubbleoflife wrote: »

I first saw it on the Daily Express page (although, I can't see it on their website now http://www.dailyexpressoffers.com/)
so I found it again here
http://easylifegroup.com/product/energy-efficient-room-heaters-45w-tube-heater-with-guard/5421/

On the Daily Express advert there are a few options
45W tube heater with guard
80W tube heater
80W Safety guard
135W tube heater
135W Safety guard

[Is there a way to add a picture? I've taken a photo of the Daily Express page but tore the top part of the page ]

Would anybody know if this heater is E-efficient?

All electric heating is 100% efficient.

1kW electric in = 1kW heat out.

But electric is 3x the cost of gas, so more expensive for every kW of heat you get.

Night storage stores up electric from a 7 hour night period (when it is around a third of the cost, though usually still a little more than gas), and releases it during the day when it is more useful. It comes close to gas in terms of cost, though it doesn't beat it.

Worth noting that what you saw in the paper is an advert, not an endorsement from the paper.

bubbleoflife_2

lstar337 wrote: »

All electric heating is 100% efficient.
....
Night storage stores up electric from a 7 hour night period (when it is around a third of the cost, though usually still a little more than gas), and releases it during the day when it is more useful. It comes close to gas in terms of cost, though it doesn't beat it....

At the moment I'm paying 11.83p per kWh with EDF. So, if I understand correctly it would cost me 11.83p/3 = 3.94 p to use one of these heaters during the night, for a 7 hours period. Have I got it right?!?

Sorry, I've just realized that I've posted on the wrong thread

lstar337

bubbleoflife wrote: »

At the moment I'm paying 11.83p per kWh with EDF. So, if I understand correctly it would cost me 11.83p/3 = 3.94 p to use one of these heaters during the night, for a 7 hours period. Have I got it right?!?

Sorry, I've just realized that I've posted on the wrong thread

I can't say the off peak will be 3.94p, you would need to check an E7 tariff for your area.

But yes, you would get your charge capacity for the low rate for the duration of the off peak period, and it will be released during the day.

How is your water heated? You would need to take that into consideration, along with re-wire and meter change costs.

Richie-from-the-Boro

brotherjackson wrote: »

HI,
Thanks for (more) great info!

It is a one bedroom flat, however the main room is about 30m2 and has an open plan kitchen also which has just been built (ie kitchen walls knocked down). Also has a large balcony with floor to ceiling windows and a door which have recently been replaced, this is about 3m of one wall. One more outside wall with one window (heater just left of window) and 2 windows in kitchen.
Im thinking of going for a panel heater in bedroom and maybe a freestanding fan heater for when it needs a boost.
This system has been unchanged for 22 years (no gas in property) and has been ok,not great but ok, so I thought I would keep the same but improve with a quantum heater instead.

I was going to go for the 125 (price is an issue also), but would you suggest the 150 ?
Cheers!

- never - ever - put a storage heater on an external wall
- if you are going for the above, the DUO range is about 40% cheaper than Quantum and will do just as well
- lots of panels to choose from, the better ones having 27 hour / 7 day control and thermostats

If you have spare cash to comfort and price proof, get two [biggest & smallest] DUO's for the living area, both will supply cheap radiant heat with a 13 amp day rate supplementary heater. The combined total storage of the radiated cheap stuff should mean you would never need to use either the supplementary heater or the dreaded damper. For myself I have no time at all for the fan assisted type in domestic situations - all they do [convect] is warm the ceiling.

The water cylinder I assume is PartL and has two elements one at the top and the other at the bottom, the E7 cylinder should have 60mm [double the value of a non-E7 cylinder] of sprayon insulation / Domestic heating immersion elements are typically rated at 3kW, you really do not need to do anything with this at all.

NOTE: I have never used the 'top up' on hot water or the 'damper' on a storage heater in 35 years. If you store enough cheap stuff you will never need to pay three times the price for the expensive stuff.

brotherjackson

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

- never - ever - put a storage heater on an external wall
- if you are going for the above, the DUO range is about 40% cheaper than Quantum and will do just as well
- lots of panels to choose from, the better ones having 27 hour / 7 day control and thermostats

If you have spare cash to comfort and price proof, get two [biggest & smallest] DUO's for the living area, both will supply cheap radiant heat with a 13 amp day rate supplementary heater. The combined total storage of the radiated cheap stuff should mean you would never need to use either the supplementary heater or the dreaded damper. For myself I have no time at all for the fan assisted type in domestic situations - all they do [convect] is warm the ceiling.

The water cylinder I assume is PartL and has two elements one at the top and the other at the bottom, the E7 cylinder should have 60mm [double the value of a non-E7 cylinder] of sprayon insulation / Domestic heating immersion elements are typically rated at 3kW, you really do not need to do anything with this at all.

NOTE: I have never used the 'top up' on hot water or the 'damper' on a storage heater in 35 years. If you store enough cheap stuff you will never need to pay three times the price for the expensive stuff.

Thanks.

The reason I am replacing the existing storage heater is so I can take old one out and put new one in, which should be a simple process.
Moving it to another wall and putting in an extra one will involve a lot of upheaval including rewiring them (holes in ceiling/walls) as well as having to patch up the wall where the old one had been as well as the holes that were cut in floor for the old ones legs...
could end costing a few hundred £ more. From what I understand the Quantum would fit in same leg holes as old one and cover up any existing wall fittings.

Are you saying the Quantum heater is not as good (or just as good as) as the Duo, because the price is basically double that of the duo... When the (sales) info states that the quantum has better insulation,storage etc is this not true? Would I get the same heat or constant temp as the Quantum with the duo? If so why is it double the price?
Im confused now!!


The water has two cylinder spaces like you say, but only the bottom one is connected to the electric. The top one is capped (and very old/rusty looking!)- should I get this changed?

All info greatly appreciated btw-its hard to find any good independant facts and figures out there !
cheers!

Richie-from-the-Boro

Are you saying the Quantum heater is not as good

- no I've already said the Quantum has better insulating characteristics than the DUO, and stores 4.9kWh more heat than the DUO

Would I get the same heat or constant temp as the Quantum with the duo

- no, [see above] the DUO accepts and stores 4.9kWh of cheap rate heat per night than the Quantum
- my suggestion on installing 2 DUO's would give 30% more total storage, and a comfort + of 2 radiative directions

only the bottom one is connected to the electric - should I get this changed?

- no leave this alone, the bottom element will heat the whole cylinder size and I assume is PartL insulated with good standing heat loss characteristics

take old one out and put new one in, which should be a simple process

- it is, three wires and you are done, but, you will with either DUO or Quantum need a 13a switched spur to power the supplementary radient heater

Just get the Quantum it holds 23.1kWh, it will output a constant 1.3kWh of heat each 24 hour period, if there's a sudden intense cold snap the 1300W supplementary panel heater built into the Quantum will kick in to supply additional instant heat.

brotherjackson

Richie-from-the-Boro wrote: »

- no I've already said the Quantum has better insulating characteristics than the DUO, and stores 4.9kWh more heat than the DUO

- no, [see above] the DUO accepts and stores 4.9kWh of cheap rate heat per night than the Quantum
- my suggestion on installing 2 DUO's would give 30% more total storage, and a comfort + of 2 radiative directions

- no leave this alone, the bottom element will heat the whole cylinder size and I assume is PartL insulated with good standing heat loss characteristics

- it is, three wires and you are done, but, you will with either DUO or Quantum need a 13a switched spur to power the supplementary radient heater

Just get the Quantum it holds 23.1kWh, it will output a constant 1.3kWh of heat each 24 hour period, if there's a sudden intense cold snap the 1300W supplementary panel heater built into the Quantum will kick in to supply additional instant heat.

Ok- so I would only like to replace the existing storage heater as installing another would be too impractical for me, so you are suggesting the Dimplex quantum (the biggest one 150?) as being my best option-ok I'll trust you on this and go for it. I take it the quantum will pay for itself over time compared with the Duo.
Like I said before, finding out this kind of info is pretty hard online, especially when you aren't versed with technical knowledge. I was originally going to put in the fischer heater, but after reading through all the posts on here decided to leave it. The quantum seemed to not have any negative points (in regards to storage heating) which then led me to the Creda or Dimplex dilema!
After your kind advice and figures I think the dimplex is the one to get..

As regards to the tank you think I should just keep it the way that it is then and not bother with another element in the top bit?
It is insulated with that yellow foam type stuff but should I put more on it (one of those red covers I see in Wickes etc) and also the pipes too?

Once again thanks for your advice!