MSE News: Disability and carer's allowance claimaints to suffer as inflation falls

wildwestfan

I get so cross about people complaining about the amount of tax free money they receive because they are disabled. Add in rent, council tax payments plus help with dental and optical benefits and it will amount to a whole lot more than someone working full time on NMW who has to pay work related costs and their own housing costs.

Come on nanny and indie kid tell us how much you get week in week out. Then try and persuade us that you are so hard done by. People with disabilities are extremely well looked after in this country.

Indie_Kid

FBaby wrote: »

Well lucky you that your live in a middle class environment where most people must work very hard to be able to afford the above. Pity that many children of hard working parents don't go on holiday every year because their parents can only afford to pay the bills with their income.

It's that attitude of entitlement of holiday that makes those who get up early to get to work 5 days a week and come late and exhausted each day, yet still worried about finances and how they are going to tell their kids they can't afford to pay for their school trip, feeling that the system is very wrong.

For all you know, that holiday could just be a weekend in Devon or whatever. It doesn't automatically mean it's a week in the USA.

Some of us find that the different climate helps us. I really struggle in winter due to my asthma, which isn't in part helped by all the colds and whatnot going around.

To get medical help. Panic attacks is a disorder you can learn to manage and cure. And yes, I have spent many days in your shoes, suffered from severe depression and anxiety attacks which means I had to give up my university course, but there was no way I was going to let it rule my life, so I went through the painful journey of fighting my anxieties and fears until I reached the point I became stronger as a result. I learnt that the only way you can not let your anxieties rule your life is to face them and take control of them.

Lucky you. Your anxiety and depression isn't the same as everyone elses. Just because you managed, doesn't mean others will. And getting help isn't easy. Some of us have waited months to even by seen by a CPN.

fed_up_and_stressed

wildwestfan wrote: »

I get so cross about people complaining about the amount of tax free money they receive because they are disabled. Add in rent, council tax payments plus help with dental and optical benefits and it will amount to a whole lot more than someone working full time on NMW who has to pay work related costs and their own housing costs.

Come on nanny and indie kid tell us how much you get week in week out. Then try and persuade us that you are so hard done by. People with disabilities are extremely well looked after in this country.

Sorry to dispel your myth but some disabled people do work and therefore don't get "tax payer money for rent,council tax payments,dental optical benefits" in fact the nhs didn't even pay for my power wheelchair (essential item) as I use it mainly outdoors and therefore was not eligible without this I am pretty much housebound.

Indie_Kid

wildwestfan wrote: »

I get so cross about people complaining about the amount of tax free money they receive because they are disabled. Add in rent, council tax payments plus help with dental and optical benefits and it will amount to a whole lot more than someone working full time on NMW who has to pay work related costs and their own housing costs.

You are comparing two different situations though. Regardless of whether I worked, or indeed my income, I would still be entitled to free prescriptions and eye tests. Someone working full time on NMW, depending on their income, may be entitled to those benefits too. The person on NMW has the option to get qualifications and a better job. Many disabled people don't have this option. I would love to work; but with the way my health is, that isn't an option.

Come on nanny and indie kid tell us how much you get week in week out. Then try and persuade us that you are so hard done by. People with disabilities are extremely well looked after in this country.

Yes, that's why if I need certain expensive items costing some £2-3000, I've got to fund them myself.

evenasus

wildwestfan wrote: »

Come on nanny and indie kid tell us how much you get week in week out. Then try and persuade us that you are so hard done by. People with disabilities are extremely well looked after in this country.

nannytone did detail her income in a post in February last year. It's there for all to see.

nannytone_2

wildwestfan wrote: »

I get so cross about people complaining about the amount of tax free money they receive because they are disabled. Add in rent, council tax payments plus help with dental and optical benefits and it will amount to a whole lot more than someone working full time on NMW who has to pay work related costs and their own housing costs.

Come on nanny and indie kid tell us how much you get week in week out. Then try and persuade us that you are so hard done by. People with disabilities are extremely well looked after in this country.

i NEVER complain about the amount of benefit i recieve ( in fact i have said that there needs to be a middle ground, because there is such a vast jump between the amounts that those on 'low' benefits receive to what those on the 'middle' get)
i have also NEVER claimed to be hard done by.
i have stated over and over again that the help i receive via DLA and funding for my PA from the county council means that i can rake part in the same world as everyone else instead of being sat at home, alone and becoming isolated ( a problem for so many disabled people and their carers)
i am obhecting to the jealousy ained towards disabled people from the able bodied majority, who see the 'shint new car' but dismiss the reasons why it is needed.

and as i have said previously ...
the tax payer pays the high rate mobility REGARDLESS of whether it is used for a motability car or not.
so saying the taxpayer pays for the motability car is like saying your employer pays for your car loan.

scootw1

nannytone wrote: »

and as i have said previously ...
the tax payer pays the high rate mobility REGARDLESS of whether it is used for a motability car or not.
so saying the taxpayer pays for the motability car is like saying your employer pays for your car loan.

Cant you see that this means the taxpayer pays for the car then?

Tax payer pays tax, tax paid in benefits, benefits pay for car, ergo, taxpayer pays for car. Why is this so hard to understand?

Credit-Crunched

nannytone wrote: »

i NEVER complain about the amount of benefit i recieve ( in fact i have said that there needs to be a middle ground, because there is such a vast jump between the amounts that those on 'low' benefits receive to what those on the 'middle' get)
i have also NEVER claimed to be hard done by.
i have stated over and over again that the help i receive via DLA and funding for my PA from the county council means that i can rake part in the same world as everyone else instead of being sat at home, alone and becoming isolated ( a problem for so many disabled people and their carers)
i am obhecting to the jealousy ained towards disabled people from the able bodied majority, who see the 'shint new car' but dismiss the reasons why it is needed.

and as i have said previously ...
the tax payer pays the high rate mobility REGARDLESS of whether it is used for a motability car or not.
so saying the taxpayer pays for the motability car is like saying your employer pays for your car loan.

Well technically thats true, my employer also pays my mortgage, living costs etc.

The difference is my employer is not funded by me, and every other tax payer in the country.

It is not that hard to grasp, that your benefits, not matter how they are received, or distributed, are funded by the taxation on the working people of this country.

You can use smoke and mirrors all you like, but tax on income pays benefits. Simple

This may help.

Last year I paid £1,235 into country welfare from my pay.

I have a 15 year old car, no holiday, no pay rise, and work long hours.


http://www.wheredidmytaxgo.co.uk/

dori2o

tomtontom wrote: »

So you agree - many do not and use their additional income on what could be deemed luxuries, a short holiday or two perhaps?

You are aware that for some disabled people days out, short holidays, socialising, interacting online, going out with friends once in a while, enjoying a luxury just for them could actually be beneficial and therapeutic, and therefore form part of their 'additional costs'?

Last year my counsellor actually demanded that I book a short break. he helped me organise it, and although it was only 4 nights it dramatically reduced the stress and vastly improved my mood, and IMO prevented me from slipping further down the spiral.

Additional costs are not restricted to mobility equipment, costs of employing a carer, treatment costs, transport costs, medications etc etc.

If you believe that it should be restricted to those costs then you are a very narrow minded individual.

dori2o

Credit-Crunched wrote: »

Well technically thats true, my employer also pays my mortgage, living costs etc.

The difference is my employer is not funded by me, and every other tax payer in the country.

It is not that hard to grasp, that your benefits, not matter how they are received, or distributed, are funded by the taxation on the working people of this country.

You can use smoke and mirrors all you like, but tax on income pays benefits. Simple

This may help.

Last year I paid £1,235 into country welfare from my pay.

I have a 15 year old car, no holiday, no pay rise, and work long hours.


http://www.wheredidmytaxgo.co.uk/

Many disabled people who work are also taxpayers. They also pay into the pot like everyone else.