IPHONE unlocking EE

1r1m1c

I had bought an iphone. Locked to EE. You can use virgin or t mobile. I got my phone unlocked through ebay for £56. EE is more expensive to unlock. Be ware of rip off companies or misleading phone unlockers. I have been stung for £19, then asked for a further £100+ MAKE sure that you read all the SMALL PRINT. just don't tick the box. No refund either. I had tried to use officaliphoneunlock. No way would i try and use them again. Just make sure that you read all the agreements etc. Ebay way to go.

d123

1r1m1c wrote: »

I had bought an iphone. Locked to EE. You can use virgin or t mobile. I got my phone unlocked through ebay for £56. EE is more expensive to unlock. Be ware of rip off companies or misleading phone unlockers. I have been stung for £19, then asked for a further £100+ MAKE sure that you read all the SMALL PRINT. just don't tick the box. No refund either. I had tried to use officaliphoneunlock. No way would i try and use them again. Just make sure that you read all the agreements etc. Ebay way to go.

The moral of the story is don't buy an EE locked phone unless you intend to use it on EE for at least 6 months...

jumbojimbo

I bought a second hand iPhone 5S that was a warranty replacement. I was of the impression Apple issued warranty replacements were unlocked, which is not the case. I subsequently learned from Apple my iPhone 5S was locked to the original supplier, Orange.

I the misfortune to peruse EE's page detailing their unlocking policy and the restrictions- The main, and most objectionable one, that the device must have been used on their network for 6 months before they'll consider unlocking it.

So my choices were either 1.To sell the phone on to somebody locked to Orange/EE/T-Mobile. Or 2. Purchase a PAYG Sim and start counting down the 6 month usage on their network condition before I could get it unlocked.

I'm going to take option 3. Enforce my Rights under law. EE's unlocking policy is exactly that, their policy. It doesn't defeat the common law, tort, or statutory rights you possess- regardless of what EE would have you believe- they operate on the basis that people are ignorant of their rights; or if you know your rights; their legal department knows those rights better, and OFCOM agrees with them, or else they wouldn't be allowed to enforce those rights.

EE are amazing. Without even having presented what laws, Acts and Statutes support my claim, or even what those specific claims assert, they already know that my claim is wrong.

Bravo! Let's see if they are so confident once I've finished writing it.

I will say this though- it's easier not to buy an EE locked phone to begin with. It's not that I believe my argument doesn't have any weight, nor that I won't prevail- it's just the amount of time needed to formulate the response and gather the evidence needed to support it.

The problem isn't the lack of laws and protection- it's that the rights exist in a disparate number of Acts, Statutory Instruments, Regulatory frameworks, Torts etc., and then correctly applying the principles the laws were designed to protect/uphold. Below are just some of the Acts that I have researched/ cited

Sale and Supply of Goods Act 1994
DIRECTIVE 1999/44/EC
Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977
The Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (Plus accompanying OFT guidance)
The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008
Enterprise Act 2002
Ofcom review of additional charges. Also ICT regulation toolkit
Torts (Interference with Goods) Act 1977. Also Conversion

A_Flock_Of_Sheep

It's high time locking of phones was outlawed anyway. Vodafone do unlock iPhones at any point for £19.99 and after one year it is free. I think O2 unlock iPhones for free once you have paid off the handset.

Incidentally folks for those who think networks subsidise handsets the iPhone 6 128GB costs £699 from apple unlocked. It costs £789 when taken with an O2 refresh agreement as they split the airtime and handset costs. So hardly subsidised there.

A_Flock_Of_Sheep

I have heard too many bad things about EE that I would not go with them unless I was on a 30 day rolling sim which I could dump when they misbehave.

d123

jumbojimbo wrote: »

I bought a second hand iPhone 5S that was a warranty replacement. I was of the impression Apple issued warranty replacements were unlocked, which is not the case. I subsequently learned from Apple my iPhone 5S was locked to the original supplier, Orange.

I the misfortune to peruse EE's page detailing their unlocking policy and the restrictions- The main, and most objectionable one, that the device must have been used on their network for 6 months before they'll consider unlocking it.

So my choices were either 1.To sell the phone on to somebody locked to Orange/EE/T-Mobile. Or 2. Purchase a PAYG Sim and start counting down the 6 month usage on their network condition before I could get it unlocked.

I'm going to take option 3. Enforce my Rights under law. EE's unlocking policy is exactly that, their policy. It doesn't defeat the common law, tort, or statutory rights you possess- regardless of what EE would have you believe- they operate on the basis that people are ignorant of their rights; or if you know your rights; their legal department knows those rights better, and OFCOM agrees with them, or else they wouldn't be allowed to enforce those rights.

EE are amazing. Without even having presented what laws, Acts and Statutes support my claim, or even what those specific claims assert, they already know that my claim is wrong.

Bravo! Let's see if they are so confident once I've finished writing it.

I will say this though- it's easier not to buy an EE locked phone to begin with. It's not that I believe my argument doesn't have any weight, nor that I won't prevail- it's just the amount of time needed to formulate the response and gather the evidence needed to support it.

The problem isn't the lack of laws and protection- it's that the rights exist in a disparate number of Acts, Statutory Instruments, Regulatory frameworks, Torts etc., and then correctly applying the principles the laws were designed to protect/uphold. Below are just some of the Acts that I have researched/ cited

Sale and Supply of Goods Act 1994
DIRECTIVE 1999/44/EC
Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977
The Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (Plus accompanying OFT guidance)
The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008
Enterprise Act 2002
Ofcom review of additional charges. Also ICT regulation toolkit
Torts (Interference with Goods) Act 1977. Also Conversion

Are you also a Freeman on the land?

Silk

jumbojimbo wrote: »

I bought a second hand iPhone 5S that was a warranty replacement. I was of the impression Apple issued warranty replacements were unlocked, which is not the case. I subsequently learned from Apple my iPhone 5S was locked to the original supplier, Orange.

If you bought it second hand as unlocked you need to take it up with the seller not EE

jumbojimbo

"Are you also a Freeman on the land?"

No. I do not prescribe to any of the pseudo-legal nonsense supporters of various 'freeman' schemes have concocted. I've heard their arguments, but any attempt to deny the validity of their claims only gives rise to them trying to counter such claims using 'YouTube' as proof, or as evidence that some 'right' they claim has succeeded in Law- as the judge abandoned his court, or some other tenuous legal concept cribbed from ancient statutes and the 'meaning' of the word and what it really means according to Black's Law Dictionary 4th Ed (Despite that not being the latest edition, nor the primary law dictionary used in UK courts)

jumbojimbo

Silk wrote: »

If you bought it second hand as unlocked you need to take it up with the seller not EE

It is EE that by SIM locking my device is illegally restricting my property rights. EE have no legal title to my phone. Absolutely none. Yet by refusing to remove the SIM lock they are interfering and imposing rights they do not have in law

Silk

jumbojimbo wrote: »

It is EE that by SIM locking my device is illegally restricting my property rights. EE have no legal title to my phone. Absolutely none. Yet by refusing to remove the SIM lock they are interfering and imposing rights they do not have in law

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Nope, the seller sold you a locked phone which had been supplied on conditions.
You need to take it up with the person who sold it to you or go and buy an unlocked phone if that's what you wanted.

Anoneemoose

1r1m1c wrote: »

I had bought an iphone. Locked to EE. You can use virgin or t mobile. I got my phone unlocked through ebay for £56. EE is more expensive to unlock. Be ware of rip off companies or misleading phone unlockers. I have been stung for £19, then asked for a further £100+ MAKE sure that you read all the SMALL PRINT. just don't tick the box. No refund either. I had tried to use officaliphoneunlock. No way would i try and use them again. Just make sure that you read all the agreements etc. Ebay way to go.

I have no idea what you are talking about really but EE charge £20 ish to unlock a phone so where is the more than £56 from?