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UKPC - Crawley Leisure Centre parking outside lines

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  • Hot_Bring
    Hot_Bring Posts: 1,596 Forumite
    Afraid not.

    If you haven't received an evidence pack then there's a good chance they have thrown in the towel. If POPLA award against you and you haven't had a pack then complain like hell to POPLA. It's a waiting game I'm afraid.
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis." - Dante Alighieri
  • Hearing date on the 13th or soon thereafter (so two days from now).

    No information pack received as of yet. Are there any (enforceable) guidelines that state that if a pre-requisite has not been met that they have defaulted?
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 44,056 Forumite
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    Hearing date on the 13th or soon thereafter (so two days from now).

    No information pack received as of yet. Are there any (enforceable) guidelines that state that if a pre-requisite has not been met that they have defaulted?

    Not as such, but I'd be emailing POPLA on the day before the forecast adjudication date to inform them you've not received the PPC's evidence pack.
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    #Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • Good idea, not sure if they will receive / process the email on time to take note but can not hurt of course.
  • Umkomaas
    Umkomaas Posts: 44,056 Forumite
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    Good idea, not sure if they will receive / process the email on time to take note but can not hurt of course.

    Make sure you mark your email in CAPS & BOLD to the effect:

    FOR THE URGENT ATTENTION OF THE ADJUDICATOR IN CASE NUMBER (your POPLA code) + (your name and address) - DUE FOR DECISION ON (date of adjudication).
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    #Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • Response received from POPLA regarding the missing evidence pack, they have noted it on the case records and forwarded me the evidence pack they had received. Not sure how relevant this omission is on the outcome of the appeal.

    UKPC had a whole load of bla bla about the cost element, and added a cost spreadsheet that "shows" that it costs them £100.

    If anyone is interested, I can post their response but not sure if that helps to see what they are arguing and all the law cases they quote on why it should be rejected.
  • You'll need to rebut their "evidence", particularly their loss statement (which we know is a pack of lies and made-up costs). Would be interesting to see their latest attempt to justify £100 as being their loss at the time the charge was issued (this is important, costs incurred during any subsequent appeal process cannot be included, as these are not losses if someone stumps up the £100 right away).
  • Formatting off unfortunately, but column 1 is Largest Conceivable Loss, column 2 is factored loss.
  • MoneyTwister
    MoneyTwister Posts: 33 Forumite
    edited 12 November 2014 at 1:00PM
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  • It is confidently argued that the parking charge in question should be fully enforced by the independent
    appeals service. UK Parking Control Ltd (UKPC) is entitled by common law to be fully compensated for the
    genuine pre-estimate of loss stemming from the appellant’s breach of contract.
    The Charge Represents a Genuine Pre-Estimate of Loss
    It will come as no surprise to read that the burden of proving that a clause is a penalty clause, not representing
    a genuine pre-estimate of loss, lies upon the person who seeks to escape liability under it (Robophone Facilities
    Ltd v Blank [1966] 1 WLR 1428, 1446, per Diplock LJ). This sound interpretation of the law has also been endorsed
    by both Professor Richard Hooley of Cambridge University and Allen and Overy LLP (2008).
    Nevertheless, in order to assist POPLA in resolving this dispute as effectively as possible, UK Parking Control Ltd
    has provided a redacted breakdown of the greatest potential loss stemming from the breach of contract.
    Since the breached clause provides for liquidated damages, the specific loss caused to UK Parking Control Ltd
    for this particular breach is not at issue. Lord Dunedin in Dunlop Pneumatic Tyre Company Co Ltd v New
    Garage & Motor Co Ltd [1915] AC 79 explains that quantifying the loss from a single breach in such cases as
    these would be ‘impracticable’ and that it would be ‘quite reasonable’ to estimate damage from a single
    breach at a single figure. The greatest potential loss for a breach has been provided, since it is certain that
    whether liquidated damages represent a penalty or compensation should be assessed in relation to whether
    the sum is ‘extravagent and unconscionable by comparison with the greatest loss that could be proved’
    (emphasis added) (Clydebank Engineering and Shipbuilding Co Ltd v Don Jose Romas Yzquierdo y Castenda
    [1905] AC 6, per Lord Davey and Parking Eye Ltd v Beavis and Wardley [2014] 3JD05152-69, per HHJ Moloney
    QC).
    It is hoped that the Assessor can appreciate that the provision of a full breakdown would highly prejudice the
    commercial interests of UK Parking Control Ltd. However, the redacted version’s heads of costs mirror those
    recommended by Mr Recorder Lowe QC in James Paul Mayhook v National Car Parks [2012] 1CM00569, para
    66. Further, the full version of the breakdown has been reviewed and commended by Steve Clark (Head of
    Operational Services for the British Parking Association) and our lawyers. It is also strongly doubted that a full
    breakdown would assist the Assessor any more than the redacted version, since POPLA is understandably illequipped
    to cast judgement on each specific cost involved in effective parking management by hundreds of
    British Parking Association members.
    As aforementioned, the heads of costs chosen in the provided breakdown have been judicially endorsed. The
    site-based costs include (but are not limited to) the cost of producing the charge itself with accompanying
    weatherproof wallet, which directly relates to the breach. The costs involved in validating the parking charge
    include checking that the registration plate matches the vehicle in question, which directly relates to the breach.
    The appeals’ costs would obviously not be incurred but for the breach. These costs include the telephone costs
    of the call centre, employee costs to review the appeal and legal fees. POPLA costs are also directly attributable
    to the breach. They include the preparation of evidence packs, which are completed by employees of different
    pay grades and takes time to complete. Payment costs include the bank and employee costs involved in
    processing the payment of parking charges issued for breaches. In line with the Protection of Freedoms Act
    2012, DVLA costs include requesting from the DVLA the Registered Keeper details of the relevant vehicle, which
    was parked in breach of contract. Written communication costs include the cost to produce and send initial
    notices to the Driver/Registered Keeper and final notices, which are required to follow up on payments of
    charges. If charges remain unpaid, a debt recovery company will be employed to obtain compensation for the
    breach on our behalf. Costs involved under this head include employing the debt recovery company’s services
    and preparing sufficient information to allow the external company to pursue the debt. Legal action costs
    include the cost of preparing cases to take a number of people to court per year. UKPC has started taking more
    people to court and anticipate we will continue to take more in the future. As a result, we have sat down with
    our lawyers and advisors to try and estimate the likely costs involved in doing so.
    It should be noted that for relevant costs an aggregate has been calculated and an average applied, where
    costs differ depending on the breach in question. This is well-established practice when calculating certain
    costs in determining liquidated damages for breaches. Largest Conceivable Loss is not factored down to take
    account of the likeliness that each individual event will occur. It is nevertheless included to heed Lord Davey’s
    emphasis on making a comparison between the charge and ‘the greatest loss that could be proved’ (emphasis
    added) (Clydebank Engineering and Shipbuilding Co Ltd v Don Jose Romas Yzquierdo y Castenda [1905] AC 6,
    per Lord Davey and Parking Eye Ltd v Beavis and Wardley [2014] 3JD05152-69, per HHJ Moloney QC). Factored
    Loss is, however, factored to take into account the likelihood of each event occurring. Grand Total of costs has
    been split into two subtotals to reflect the typical costs incurred by UKPC when payment of the charge is made
    within 14 days of issuance and when payment is made afterwards. As a result, Subtotal 1 reflects the typical
    costs incurred for charges which are paid at the discounted rate for early payment, whereas Subtotal 2 reflects
    the typical late payment costs.
    Many costs, however, have not been included. Court costs would likely be sought to be recovered at court,
    which is why it has been omitted under legal action costs. Though it could be argued that including the
    following costs is commercially justified, we have taken the view not to, since these costs are incurred
    independently of breaches occurring: head office rent rates, wages of employees not directly dealing with
    parking enforcement, signage on site, warden training, hiring costs, company insurance, membership to the
    ATA, installation of ANPR equipment, installation of pay and display equipment, warning flyers, iWarden
    software, employee uniform and employing area managers.
    The Predominant Purpose of the Charge
    The predominant purpose of this charge is to compensate UK Parking Control Ltd for the predetermined loss
    caused by the breach of contract. The provided breakdown of costs firmly evidences this notion. Another major
    purpose is to ensure the effective management of parking areas by the operator. It is superfluous to say that
    another effect of the charge is to deter parties from breaching the contract. Potentially having to compensate
    another for breach of contract would naturally create some deterrent effect.
    However, to say that deterrence is the predominant purpose of the charge would be wholly unfounded. Even if
    this unsubstantiated assertion were to be entertained, high judicial authority has stated that even this does not
    preclude the charge being enforceable. In the recent Court of Appeal case of Talel el Makdessi v Cavendish
    Square Holdings [2013] EWCA Civ 1539, Clarke LJ says that despite the predominant purpose of a charge being
    to deter, a clause can still be upheld if there is a ‘commercial justification’ for it. Further support for this
    approach can be found in the combined wisdom of the EU and Parliament in the Unfair Terms Regulations
    1999, which effectively strike a balance between the commercial interests of the receiving party and the fairness
    towards the paying party.
    The clause in question is unambiguously commercially justified. As aforementioned the charge represents a
    genuine pre-estimate of loss and is compensatory in nature. It is also agreed with HHJ Moloney QC that the
    supply of parking is a ‘limited and valuable commodity’, thus commercially justified for a clause to deter parties
    from breaching the contract. It is further agreed that, in the present context, the deterrence factor is thus an
    ‘entirely legitimate and acceptable one’, where ‘ordinary principles of compensation for breach have no
    application’ Specifically, HHJ Moloney QC was minded to look at the profit margin of Parking Eye Ltd when
    deciding the commercial justification of the clause. Though UK Parking Control Ltd will not release its profit
    margins for reasons of commercial sensitivity, comparing its figures with that of those revealed by Parking Eye
    Ltd, it is certain that the judiciary would accept the level of profitability the company maintains (Parking Eye Ltd v
    Beavis and Wardley [2014] 3JD05152-69).
    Conclusion
    UK Parking Control Ltd urges the Assessor to find in its favour for the solid reasoning which has been provided.
    Considering the detailed and thorough response provided by UKPC, it would be appreciated that any finding
    against UKPC is accompanied by detailed and thorough reasoning for making such an adverse finding,
    supported by judicial authority.
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