Replacing my toilet questions!

PatrickC

Hi there,

So I'm a complete novice getting involved in DIY, I'm renovating my bathroom as my first big project in a month or so and trying to buy all the bits to get ready. However the toilet is being a bit of a problem as there are so many measurements and terms I'm unsure of when shopping online for them. As my toilet is quite far from the wall (currently with a crappy PVC "shelf" on the back) I've uploaded a photo:
imgur. com/0u4Nnia.jpg (remove the space - new user so cant post links )
The measurements(approx) are the following:
Wall to centre of soil pipe: ~10" (26cm)
Wall to centre of securing screws: ~19" (48cm)

I hope someone can help? I've looked a guides but they use terms like rough in (wall to centre of soil pipe) but I havent found this term in any product description or any relevance!

Thanks

Edit for clarification: I'm looking for guidance on what to look for when buying a toilet? What measurements am I looking for and what requirements? Would there be any model which could be flush with the wall or is my only option building a separate cabinet to hide the gap?

Ianwzzz

I don't understand what your question is.....

martinthebandit

Ianwzzz wrote: »

I don't understand what your question is.....

Neither do I but I am pretty sure one of these http://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Flexible-Pan-Connector-540mm/p/431577?CAWELAID=120135120000003798&CAGPSPN=pla&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_campaign=Google+Shopping+-+Heating+%26+Plumbing&tmcampid=104&tmad=c&tmplaceref=&tmcustom=mkwid|lzQbnSzV_dc|pcrid|43364569612|&gclid=CJT965Wt8sACFUXLtAodeiwAgg will be part of the answer.

Ianwzzz

martinthebandit wrote: »

Neither do I but I am pretty sure one of these http://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Flexible-Pan-Connector-540mm/p/431577?CAWELAID=120135120000003798&CAGPSPN=pla&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_campaign=Google+Shopping+-+Heating+%26+Plumbing&tmcampid=104&tmad=c&tmplaceref=&tmcustom=mkwid|lzQbnSzV_dc|pcrid|43364569612|&gclid=CJT965Wt8sACFUXLtAodeiwAgg will be part of the answer.

A flexi pan connector won't help as the pan is tight against the soil collar on the floor. He needs to move the soil pipe back to the wall to get the pan back, which could be a lot of work. Which is why the cistern is off the wall at the moment.

PatrickC

Yeah so my question is, what are my buying options? Do I need to look for a specific toilet? or just any that has a pipe out the back and then build a cabinet behind to hide the gap? Moving the soil pipe isn't an option as its concrete flooring.

Ianwzzz

PatrickC wrote: »

Yeah so my question is, what are my buying options? Do I need to look for a specific toilet? or just any that has a pipe out the back and then build a cabinet behind to hide the gap? Moving the soil pipe isn't an option as its concrete flooring.

You can use a close coupled pan and cistern, which is what you have at the moment but you will still have a gap between the cistern and wall. You could grind the concrete collar off and use a question mark pan connector, that will push it back to the wall a couple of inches, or you could buy a low level pan and cistern which will have a flush pipe between the pan and cistern, then the cistern will fit back to the wall.

PatrickC

Ianwzzz wrote: »

You can use a close coupled pan and cistern, which is what you have at the moment but you will still have a gap between the cistern and wall. You could grind the concrete collar off and use a question mark pan connector, that will push it back to the wall a couple of inches, or you could buy a low level pan and cistern which will have a flush pipe between the pan and cistern, then the cistern will fit back to the wall.

If i went for your last option, that would make it a lot easier to build a box around the cistern I presume and make it just look all built in? If I've understood you correctly that is :$

Just to clarify something like this:
victorianplumbing.co.uk/premier-bliss-square-back-to-wall-pan-with-top-fix-seat-concealed-cistern.aspx

But just build a box to match the rest of my suite and then have the pan against the box and the cistern/soil pipe can be hidden inside right?

2nd Edit:
bathroomsandradiators.com/product/liberty_500mm_wc_unit_with_concealed_cistern-white___depth__350mm-liberty_range-bathroom_furniture-1222

If I even got this pre-built. It says depth 350mm, which would cover the soil pipe, and then I could just fit the toilet on the front right?

phill99

You are going about it the wrong way completely.

If the waste pipe is sticking out if the wall too far, its a straightforward job to cut it back. It's likely to be cast-iron so you will need an angle grinder. Once you have done that you can install whatever toilet you want. You will however require the correct pan connector, which to go into cast iron is typically a '4" into a 3.5" waste'.

If the waste from the back of the pan doesn't line up with the outlet in the wall you can buy an 'offset connector'.

You are best going to your local plumbers merchants and explaining the situation.

However, to get the pan back to the wall you will need to cut the cast iron waste outlet back.

PatrickC

phill99 wrote: »

You are going about it the wrong way completely.

If the waste pipe is sticking out if the wall too far, its a straightforward job to cut it back. It's likely to be cast-iron so you will need an angle grinder. Once you have done that you can install whatever toilet you want. You will however require the correct pan connector, which to go into cast iron is typically a '4" into a 3.5" waste'.

If the waste from the back of the pan doesn't line up with the outlet in the wall you can buy an 'offset connector'.

You are best going to your local plumbers merchants and explaining the situation.

However, to get the pan back to the wall you will need to cut the cast iron waste outlet back.

I'm guessing you did not look at the photo? The problem is the waste pipe is in concrete floor...

phill99

PatrickC wrote: »

I'm guessing you did not look at the photo? The problem is the waste pipe is in concrete floor...

I can't get the link up. Even when I put it into the search engine.

If the waste is set into the concrete you will need to build a small false wall behind the toilet to set it off the wall. This will allow the waste to be exited out the back through the false wall and then down into the waste in the floor.

If I still haven't understood it, PM the link and I'll look.

Ianwzzz

PatrickC wrote: »

If i went for your last option, that would make it a lot easier to build a box around the cistern I presume and make it just look all built in? If I've understood you correctly that is :$

Just to clarify something like this:
victorianplumbing.co.uk/premier-bliss-square-back-to-wall-pan-with-top-fix-seat-concealed-cistern.aspx

But just build a box to match the rest of my suite and then have the pan against the box and the cistern/soil pipe can be hidden inside right?

2nd Edit:
bathroomsandradiators.com/product/liberty_500mm_wc_unit_with_concealed_cistern-white___depth__350mm-liberty_range-bathroom_furniture-1222

If I even got this pre-built. It says depth 350mm, which would cover the soil pipe, and then I could just fit the toilet on the front right?

I didn't realise you wanted a concealed cistern. You can't use either of my options if you want a concealed cistern. You could use either of your options, which would hide the soil pipe and cistern with just the back to wall pan against the boxing/unit.