Need help and advice - hubbys PIP decision

DerbyDD

Points to remember when the Decision Maker calls are that the activities have to be done safely, to an acceptable standard, repeatedly and in a reasonable time. Repeatedly means as often as is reasonably required and reasonable time is taken to be less than twice as long as a person without a disability.

You mention dizziness even when seated so there is the possibility that he cannot dress safely if there is a risk of falling forward while dressing in a seated position.

I would question the mobility as if it takes even 2 minutes to cover 10 meters this cannot be deemed as being in a reasonable time.

Use the points above rather than what he can and can't do and good luck on the 20th as yes they can call on a Saturday.

psammead

Does anyone know if the Decision maker can overturn the decision on the phone or do we have to take the mandotory review route?

Went to see his GP today and she hit the roof about the decision, she hactually thought he may have been sent someone else's report by mistake. She had put that he can't walk more than a metre safely or be confident enough to drive to somewhere familiar safely

She'd also put he cannot stand long enough to dress himself safely nor does he have the dexterity to fasten buttons etc. She had put she suspected he had depression but couldn't officially diagnose it. She can after today as everything came out, his incontinence, ,suicidal thoughts all sorts which she noted down. She has referred him for all sorts of people to come out and see what they can do to help plus given him medication and referring him to a therapist.

She asked which descriptors had been used and how she can find them out for herself to which I gave her many of the links you guys gave me ( thank god for smart phones!). We see her again next week and she wants to hear exactly what the DM says and if poss what the medical report states so she can write a full medical with everything in it.

Thanks again so much for all your help, fingers crossed for tomorrow.

Sorry can they change the decision there and then? Thanks

DerbyDD

The decision won't be given over the phone. The decision maker will take any relevant information and see if it warrants further investigation.

helping_hand2014

psammead wrote: »

Because he feel she already takes enough tablets as it is - 61 each day plus an injection. Also he sees admitting depression in himself as a weakness and that he can't cope. I'm not saying that is the right thing to feel but I cant change how he feels can I. And of course he'd like to get better! Depression isnt the only thing he has, thats the least of his illnesses including incontinence and at 45 he finds that degrading enough as it is. He hates being as ill as he is but nothing is ever going to get him better, sorry if I sound offensive but I found that answer very dismissive

I do know how disabling depression is, I have it myself and I do take medication which is not a magic pill that suddenly makes the world wonderful. It's a fight every day.

i was simply asking a question as do most people on this site!

i have suffered with depression myself so i do know the effects of it you dont have to have medication only to help with depression there is other things like support, therapy ect ect that can help it helped me as i did not want to take medication myself . you clearly took offence to the question i asked for what ever reason that may be

Horseunderwater

Hi OP
When you completed the form that asked how the illnesses affected daily life - did you make it 100% clear 4 example, I am incomtinent with both bladder & bowels & need somebody to clean me up everytime it happens because I get dizzy so am at risk of falling over & injuring myself. My wife would struggle to get me up from the floor. That is the kind of simple wording that DWP/ ATOS should comprehend. I also think that he should have seen a doctor for the F2F as a Psych nurse is cleary not qualified enough. You need to be graphic, but keep it simple - no waffling. Appologies to you if you didn't. It was how I did my 1st DLA claim & after asking GP to confirm I got LRC & HRM within 6 weeks of applying. Have just sent off a DLA change of circ's as my Care needs are now higher & have used the same graphic simple wording, told my GP to poss expect a form. Told it may take 11 weeks, so we shall see. I also hope that your OH has had a continence assessment and that you get free pads etc as well as free yellow bags for clinical waste that the refuse collector collects on a named day. We do. That alone is enough to depress you without all his other problems. High sugar in diabetics if not well controlled, can also worsen the depression. Re injecting has he tried the tummy area just to one side of navel? With really fine short needles - you hardly feel it. I spent 31/2 mths in hosp & the nurses used to give me my deltaparin to do too in the end as I knew just the right spot. Legs & arms hurt more. Hope U get it sorted - 45 is only 5 less than me. 50 yesterday on scot vote day - so will always know that one in a quiz!

psammead

Horseunderwater wrote: »

Hi OP
When you completed the form that asked how the illnesses affected daily life - did you make it 100% clear 4 example, I am incomtinent with both bladder & bowels & need somebody to clean me up everytime it happens because I get dizzy so am at risk of falling over & injuring myself. My wife would struggle to get me up from the floor. That is the kind of simple wording that DWP/ ATOS should comprehend. I also think that he should have seen a doctor for the F2F as a Psych nurse is cleary not qualified enough. You need to be graphic, but keep it simple - no waffling. Appologies to you if you didn't. It was how I did my 1st DLA claim & after asking GP to confirm I got LRC & HRM within 6 weeks of applying. Have just sent off a DLA change of circ's as my Care needs are now higher & have used the same graphic simple wording, told my GP to poss expect a form. Told it may take 11 weeks, so we shall see. I also hope that your OH has had a continence assessment and that you get free pads etc as well as free yellow bags for clinical waste that the refuse collector collects on a named day. We do. That alone is enough to depress you without all his other problems. High sugar in diabetics if not well controlled, can also worsen the depression. Re injecting has he tried the tummy area just to one side of navel? With really fine short needles - you hardly feel it. I spent 31/2 mths in hosp & the nurses used to give me my deltaparin to do too in the end as I knew just the right spot. Legs & arms hurt more. Hope U get it sorted - 45 is only 5 less than me. 50 yesterday on scot vote day - so will always know that one in a quiz!

Hi and Thank you

No I wasn't that clear or simply phrased on the form, i tried to put as much info down and I tend to get carried away as you've prob already guessed! I thinks that part of the problem! There was too much down

I agree, he should have been seen by a doctor, he was for his ESA and she wonderful with him (that was ATOS) - can I challenge that?

Re - the incontinence thing his GP is sending someone round who can sort all of that and other things out for him apparently.

Re injecting and his diabetes he's actually quite well controlled (Last HBA1c was 6.1) but I have been diabetic for 36 yrs so being honest what I don't know about injecting and controlling sugars isn't really worth knowing. I do his injection for him so I know he has had it and always rotate the spot i do it. He does have fine short needles as I asked for them specifically. I've used harpoon needles myself and strongly advice against them!!! I also prepare all his meals and make sure he eats them as otherwise he'd eat nothing because he often feels nauseous or simply doesn't want to. He can take nutrition unaided though but no evidence :mad:

I actually feel more confident after taking the advice on the above post about using the descriptors and if they can be done safely, to an acceptable standard, repeatedly and in a timely fashion. I've got my list and print outs plus big pad of paper but I am praying its someone nice cos I've got a feeling I'm going to start blubbing!

Happy birthday for yesterday btw and thank you again

psammead

DerbyDD wrote: »

The decision won't be given over the phone. The decision maker will take any relevant information and see if it warrants further investigation.

So can he decide not to allow us to appeal?

After all if he is the one who made the decision in the first place then surely if it gets questioned at an appeal and overturned won't he get flak for getting it wrong in the first place? Or am I now just being paranoid?

So sorry to keep asking you but my CAB is only open on a Weds (in a small village) and the nearest one in town has got a relative working there and its taken everything to get him to go to CAB in the first place - if he thought he had to go to the other one i'd never get him there!

anmarj

psammead wrote: »

So can he decide not to allow us to appeal?

After all if he is the one who made the decision in the first place then surely if it gets questioned at an appeal and overturned won't he get flak for getting it wrong in the first place? Or am I now just being paranoid?

So sorry to keep asking you but my CAB is only open on a Weds (in a small village) and the nearest one in town has got a relative working there and its taken everything to get him to go to CAB in the first place - if he thought he had to go to the other one i'd never get him there!

It will be a different person to the original decision maker, and yes they can overturn that decsion before going to a mandatory reconsideration. If they still agree with the original decision then it goes for a mandatory reconsideration and if you still disagree with that, you then have the option of an appeal. The purpose of the new system is to try and get the decision right in the first place.

psammead

anmarj wrote: »

It will be a different person to the original decision maker, and yes they can overturn that decsion before going to a mandatory reconsideration. If they still agree with the original decision then it goes for a mandatory reconsideration and if you still disagree with that, you then have the option of an appeal. The purpose of the new system is to try and get the decision right in the first place.

Oh right!! That then kind of answers my last post where i said why would the DM change it if he would get flak for getting wrong. Not sure tbh why I thought it would be the DM who rings.

So am I right - after the phone call there could possibly be a new decision and we would know what it is? We could have all this over today? I realise you can't say yes incase they still agree with the original decision but if they do agree they've got it wrong they will change it there and then on the phone and tell me? Even without any supporting evidence? Sorry but need any kind of hope even if it is only a remote possibility.

anmarj

psammead wrote: »

Oh right!! That then kind of answers my last post where i said why would the DM change it if he would get flak for getting wrong. Not sure tbh why I thought it would be the DM who rings.

So am I right - after the phone call there could possibly be a new decision and we would know what it is? We could have all this over today? I realise you can't say yes incase they still agree with the original decision but if they do agree they've got it wrong they will change it there and then on the phone and tell me? Even without any supporting evidence? Sorry but need any kind of hope even if it is only a remote possibility.

They could change it, but not sure if they tell you there and then, you may have to wait for a letter with the new decision.