When is a bedroom not a bedroom

ACG

phill99 wrote: »

This has been done to death on this forum.

For the purpose of selling and buying a house, there is no definition of a bedroom size.

There are many thousands of people (me included) who were nought up in a 7' x 7' bedroom. Mine actually had bunk beds in it. Thousands and thousands of houses are like this in the UK.

Your room would get a childs bed or cot in it, easily.

Its quite simple, if you don't like it, don't buy it!

What is it your trying to say? lol

phill99

ACG wrote: »

What is it your trying to say? lol

There there is no definition of a bedroom in terms of its size.

ACG

I was wondering. It just felt like you wre beating around the bush.

theartfullodger

The size of bedrooms is defined in law:

Strangely (?) builders seem unaware of this..... and these builders & dodgy estate agents have somehow - nope, no idea how they did it eiher - managed to bamboozle much of the UK into thinking there is no definition of "bedroom" - when there is, defined in law (Housing Act 1985 Section 324 onwards,...): and there was I thinking the British Public had more sense.....

It is very, very, clear - see,....
http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/repairs_and_bad_conditions/common_problems/overcrowding
&
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1985/68/part/X/crossheading/definition-of-overcrowding

....the floor area of a room also determines how many people can sleep in it:

• floor area 110 sq feet (10.2 sq metres approx) = 2 people
• floor area 90 – 109 sq ft (8.4 - 10.2 sq m approx) = 1.5 people
• floor area 70 – 89 sq ft (6.5 - 8.4 sq m approx) = 1 person
• floor area 50 – 69 sq ft (4.6 - 6.5 sq m approx) = 0.5 people.

Please don't ask about garages....

The other side of the coin, of course, is that if persons wish to sit around the dinner-party dinner-table and bang-on endlessly about how many double-bedroom bedrooms they've got & how the house prices keep rising & how the DM has the sun shining out of it's ars*....

Cheers!

eddddy

theartfullodger wrote: »

The size of bedrooms is defined in law:
...

Not really... that's a specific definition that's just used for determining overcrowding.

The RICS say:

There is no statutory definition of the term 'bedroom' in the UK. The term is used to describe a room used for sleeping in and here you would expect to find a bed or other such piece of furniture designed for sleeping on.

Link: http://www.rics.org/uk/footer/glossary/what-is-a-bedroom/

The Valuation Office Agency say:

There are no statutory definitions of what constitutes a room or bedroom, so a plain English meaning should be taken.
A bedroom is a room where someone usually sleeps, however they may also use it for other activities such as working.

Link: http://www.voa.gov.uk/corporate/publications/Manuals/RentOfficerHandbook/Other/Procedures/r-roh-rooms.html

And the above link also says that for Housing Benefit purposes:

The simple test to apply is, for this type and size of property in this or a similar area, how has the property been let, and how do occupants use the accommodation? The size of the room is irrelevant. A room that would never be thought of as a bedroom or living room in a large country house might well be perfectly acceptable to most people, for those same uses, in an expensive, densely populated city.

Running_Horse

I believe in America there has to be a door, window and closet.

phill99

Running_Horse wrote: »

I believe in America there has to be a door, window and closet.

What about Hong Kong? Germany? The Cayman Islands? I've no doubt that the bedroom definition in these countries is as equally valid to this post. In fact it would benefit the OP no end if you drew up a table with all countries of the world and bedroom definitions. Some of us wont sleep tonight if we don't get this information.

eddddy

jonnyb1978 wrote: »

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But when is a bedroom not one. Can this sort of room actually be classed as one?

Hi jonnyb

To a great extent, this kind of issue is 'self-regulating'.

If an EA calls a 2.8m x 1.9m (or whatever) room a bedroom, and it makes 'viewers' like you angry and so unlikely to make an offer - the EA will realise it's a silly thing to do, and stop doing it.


But if the EA continues to do it, either other 'viewers' don't agree with you, or the EA will be slowly alienating people and slowly go out of business.

Running_Horse

phill99 wrote: »

What about Hong Kong? Germany? The Cayman Islands? I've no doubt that the bedroom definition in these countries is as equally valid to this post. In fact it would benefit the OP no end if you drew up a table with all countries of the world and bedroom definitions. Some of us wont sleep tonight if we don't get this information.

Uuuuhhmmmm, yeah, OK.

I'm working on it now. Will keep you informed.

Feel free to get things started as it worries you so much.

jonnyb1978

PasturesNew wrote: »

That's quite a good sized bedroom. Turn the door round so it opens the other way.

Good answer. Still do not think i would get a bed in as the corner of the cupboard would get in the way. Think the only option would be to remove the cupboard. Not sure if this could be done as the house has already has been extended considerably so would of thought this would have been thought of during that time. There is some old pipe and electric work (dead i assume) from what looks like the old immersion heating in the cupboard.

Thanks guys, it was just a discussion really. Nothing to do with whether i like the house or money related.