We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

Debate House Prices


In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non MoneySaving matters are no longer permitted. This includes wider debates about general house prices, the economy and politics. As a result, we have taken the decision to keep this board permanently closed, but it remains viewable for users who may find some useful information in it. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!

The Economic outlook for Scotland

1235712

Comments

  • setmefree2
    setmefree2 Posts: 9,072 Forumite
    Mortgage-free Glee!
    edited 8 September 2014 at 11:15AM
    The UK is signed up to UNCLOS:

    http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/closindx.htm


    Over 90% of the oil will be Scottish in the result of a Yes vote and there will be no legal challenge.

    That's what you chose to believe. It's all still up for negotiation. The UK hasn't agreed to anything yet. We haven't even enacted a law to let Scotland have its independence. All we have let you do is express an opinion in a referendum.
  • setmefree2 wrote: »
    That's what you chose to believe. It's all up for negotiation mate. The UK hasn't agreed to anything yet. We haven't even enacted a law to let Scotland have its independence.

    The UK being signed up to UNCLOS is not a belief.
    ''He who takes no offence at anyone either on account of their faults, or on account of his own suspicious thoughts, has knowledge of God and of things devine.''
  • setmefree2
    setmefree2 Posts: 9,072 Forumite
    Mortgage-free Glee!
    edited 8 September 2014 at 11:24AM
    The UK being signed up to UNCLOS is not a belief.

    Did Scotland sign up to UNCLOS or did the UK sign up to UNCLOS? Does Scotland even exist? Did it exist when the oil & gas was discovered?

    I reiterate.
    Dutch gas belongs to all citizens, not to the region most proximate to the gas. Norwegian oil belongs to all Norwegians, not just to those closest to the oil.
    The United Kingdom followed the same practice of assigning ownership to the national government.
    As in the Netherlands and Norway, the process by which ownership rights were assigned was democratic and preceded the discovery.

    Ask yourself again - why do you think Scotland will get all the oil & gas?
  • setmefree2 wrote: »
    Did Scotland sign up to UNCLOS or did the UK sign up to UNCLOS?

    The UK did, Scotland will.

    It's not an issue.

    Don't you think Darling would have been ranting and raving about it in the TV debates if it were?

    ''facepalm''
    ''He who takes no offence at anyone either on account of their faults, or on account of his own suspicious thoughts, has knowledge of God and of things devine.''
  • setmefree2
    setmefree2 Posts: 9,072 Forumite
    Mortgage-free Glee!
    It's not an issue.

    Of course it will be.

    Honestly, you don't think the UK will play hardball? You think other Countries want that sort of precedent set?
  • setmefree2 wrote: »
    Of course it will be.

    Honestly, you don't think the UK will play hardball? You think other Countries want that sort of precedent set?

    Why aren't Osborne, Darling, Cameron et al ranting on about this 'issue'?
    ''He who takes no offence at anyone either on account of their faults, or on account of his own suspicious thoughts, has knowledge of God and of things devine.''
  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    setmefree2 wrote: »
    That's what you chose to believe. It's all still up for negotiation. The UK hasn't agreed to anything yet. We haven't even enacted a law to let Scotland have its independence. All we have let you do is express an opinion in a referendum.

    Hi setmefree2.

    I think you're relatively new to these Scottish threads so some helpful hints might be in order:

    1. Anything that Scotland wants which the UK doesn't want Scotland to have is 'up for negotiation' (see below)
    2. The oil is Scotland's
    3. The debt is England's
    4. The SNP is the world's only non-racist nationalist party
    5. The only thing to hold Scotland back is Westminster

    Hopefully that will smooth your path through things.
  • setmefree2
    setmefree2 Posts: 9,072 Forumite
    Mortgage-free Glee!
    edited 8 September 2014 at 11:36AM
    Why aren't Osborne, Darling, Cameron et al ranting on about this 'issue'?

    Is Salmond? Or is he just letting all the Scottish voters assume they will get 100% share of the oil & gas tax receipts?
  • setmefree2 wrote: »
    Is Salmond?

    I see google didn't help you. ;)
    ''He who takes no offence at anyone either on account of their faults, or on account of his own suspicious thoughts, has knowledge of God and of things devine.''
  • I'm not assuming anything.
    I was responding to the OP who had cited declining production levels and the impact it would have no our economy.

    I don't disregard that Oil & Gas is a finite resource, but we should best utilise that resource while we can.

    We already get all that revenue and a lot more.

    If we split there's a big shortfall to make up.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
This discussion has been closed.
Meet your Ambassadors

🚀 Getting Started

Hi new member!

Our Getting Started Guide will help you get the most out of the Forum

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 352.1K Banking & Borrowing
  • 253.6K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 454.3K Spending & Discounts
  • 245.2K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 600.8K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 177.5K Life & Family
  • 259K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 16K Discuss & Feedback
  • 37.7K Read-Only Boards

Is this how you want to be seen?

We see you are using a default avatar. It takes only a few seconds to pick a picture.