The Economic outlook for Scotland

Graham_Devon

mayonnaise wrote: »

A majority of ordinary Brits don't even understand their electricity bill, did you really expect them to understand complicated economic principles?
Referendums on such complicated and far reaching issues are in general a really bad idea. The plebs just don't have a clue. Yes, I'm elitist.

Interesting argument.

On the one hand, you are calling those who disgaree with you plebs....on the other, you wish to keep those plebs and don't wish to see them go their own way.

Surely if they were such plebs, you'd be helping them pack and waving them on their jolly way?

mayonnaise

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Interesting argument.

On the one hand, you are calling those who disgaree with you plebs....on the other, you wish to keep those plebs and don't wish to see them go their own way.

Surely if they were such plebs, you'd be helping them pack and waving them on their jolly way?

No clue what you're on about.
Yes I'd love to see the UK remain united.
The Scots now have a vote and whether they vote No or Yes, I wish them all the best.

My point is that a popular referendum on highly complicated issues is a bad idea. Same goes for a potential EU referendum.

Running_Horse

Will anyone else be relieved when it's all done and dusted, regardless of outcome? This has become the most tedious debate in history, with no real new information for months. Perhaps Mr Salmond's strategy was always to bore Scotland into independence.

almacmil

Running_Horse wrote: »

Will anyone else be relieved when it's all done and dusted, regardless of outcome? This has become the most tedious debate in history, with no real new information for months. Perhaps Mr Salmond's strategy was always to bore Scotland into independence.

And BTs strategy was to get Hamish to bore everyone to vote No by countless, endless, pointless bold C+P's (well, does anyone read, them let alone discuss them? ).

beecher2

Running_Horse wrote: »

Will anyone else be relieved when it's all done and dusted, regardless of outcome? This has become the most tedious debate in history, with no real new information for months. Perhaps Mr Salmond's strategy was always to bore Scotland into independence.

Couldn't be further from the truth. If you visited Scotland, I think you'd be shocked. The increased political engagement won't go away on 18 September, no matter what the outcome.

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Interesting argument.

On the one hand, you are calling those who disgaree with you plebs....on the other, you wish to keep those plebs and don't wish to see them go their own way.

Surely if they were such plebs, you'd be helping them pack and waving them on their jolly way?

I'm reading a sports Psychology book by Steve Peters called the Chimp Paradox. His basic premise is that we act with two brains, the chimp and the human - sometimes they work together and sometimes they don't.

The chimp is paranoid, irrational and reacts emotionally to stimulus with a flight, fight or freeze response. It's incapable of assessing complex situations and data and thus reacting logically.

Steve Peters says we should give our inner chimp a name - mine's called Graham.

Graham_Devon

wotsthat wrote: »

I'm reading a sports Psychology book by Steve Peters called the Chimp Paradox. His basic premise is that we act with two brains, the chimp and the human - sometimes they work together and sometimes they don't.

The chimp is paranoid, irrational and reacts emotionally to stimulus with a flight, fight or freeze response. It's incapable of assessing complex situations and data and thus reacting logically.

Steve Peters says we should give our inner chimp a name - mine's called Graham.

Sweet story.

Does the book explore growing up, too?

Gangaweed

Most folks with there head screwed on know that an independent Scotland will be worse off.

It seems that there an an increasing amount of gullible folks who have fallen for Alex Salmond's promise of a Socialist utopia where EVERYTHING will be better than in awful, Tory led Britan.

Some of us know the facts and while we want Scotland to stay, will enjoy watching Labour lose much of its support base and another Socialist experiment fail.

Shakethedisease

Gangaweed wrote: »

Most folks with there head screwed on know that an independent Scotland will be worse off.

It seems that there an an increasing amount of gullible folks who have fallen for Alex Salmond's promise of a Socialist utopia where EVERYTHING will be better than in awful, Tory led Britan.

Some of us know the facts and while we want Scotland to stay, will enjoy watching Labour lose much of its support base and another Socialist experiment fail.

If we've fallen for Salmond's socalist uptopia.. there are a fair few about who have fallen for the 'reprisals for dumping us' rhetoric too.. despite any sort of common sense logic.

This article is a perhaps a bit OTT in language, especially 'the English' ( he is American ). But the basic points remain. The UK isn't any beacon of fiscal utopia or in wonderful shape financially either. Yet think they can wag a lot of fingers about 'warning' Scots about 'dangers'.

The thrust of the Brit’s strategy is to promise that they will try to cripple Scotland economically should it vote to restore its independence and sovereignty. Thus we see the English, and their EU allies, claiming that they would prevent Scotland from joining the EU or extort it to adopt the euro (a terrible idea) as a condition of entry into the EU, block its ability to continuing to use the pound as its currency, and even major businesses in Scotland threatening to flee the Nation should it vote in favor of independence. Labor leader Ed Miliband went so far as to threaten to place armed border guards on the border with Scotland should the Scots vote to restore their sovereignty.

What each of these threats has in common is a demonstration of England’s ill will for the people of Scotland should they choose to be independent. That malice reveals their lack of respect for the people of Scotland, the continuing definition of them as “the other,” and the willingness to threaten harm to Scotland even when doing so would harm the English. England’s EU allies are threatening Scotland because they are opportunists trying to curry favor with UK opponents to remaining in the EU. The entire unsavory stew of threats and extortion reveal the hypocrisy of English pleas to the Scots to maintain their “union” with the U.K. The English have always believed they are “better together” with the colonials only if the English are sovereign and dominant in the “union.”


As nasty and revealing as the English threats are, it is exceptionally unlikely that the English would make good on those threats were the people of Scotland to vote to restore their sovereignty. The harm that such English reprisals would inflict on the stagnant Eurozone economy would be severe. It would be a political disaster for the English parties if they maintained a campaign of hostility against an independent Scotland.

http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2014/09/unintentional-self-parody-failed-banks-warn-scotland-independence.html#more-8563

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If we've fallen for Salmond's socalist uptopia.. there are a fair few about who have fallen for the 'reprisals for dumping us' rhetoric too.. despite any sort of common sense logic.

This article is a perhaps a bit OTT in language, especially 'the English' ( he is American ). But the basic points remain. The UK isn't any beacon of fiscal utopia or in wonderful shape financially either. Yet think they can wag a lot of fingers about 'warning' Scots about 'dangers'.


http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2014/09/unintentional-self-parody-failed-banks-warn-scotland-independence.html#more-8563

you must be pretty desperate to quote this load of rubbish


just love the bit where the Europeans are knocking Scottish Independence to ingratiate themselves with the English.


About as accurate as the wings over Scotland and
about as loving as Flower of Scotland