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scottishshortie

lookinforabargain wrote: »

See this is what I like, balanced, well thought out points. Things that make you think about it.

Must admit I'm getting to the stage where I'm looking forward to it being over so it's not getting shoved in my face from both sides anymore!

I still not decided yet but here's another side I heard tonight whether any truth or not don't know
Tesco Morrison's Aldi and Lidl disagree with Asda in fact according to what I heard T's rubbished the claims and M's said there wasn't enough known to say what would happen

davemorton

scottishshortie wrote: »

I still not decided yet but here's another side I heard tonight whether any truth or not don't know
Tesco Morrison's Aldi and Lidl disagree with Asda in fact according to what I heard T's rubbished the claims and M's said there wasn't enough known to say what would happen

John Lewis doesnt...
John Lewis Partnership chairman Sir Charlie Mayfield this morning said independence could lead to retailers increasing their costs north of the border, noting that the expenses of trading in Scotland, which are higher than in England, might no longer be absorbed.

fairclaire

lookinforabargain wrote: »

See I would say the opposite of that! It seems to me that a lot of the older people are the no voters. I work in an environment where I see/serve a lot of people and it's the 'older' ones that I see with their 'No Thanks' badges and the like.

What caught my attention was this -

Imagine Scotland was already independent and we were about to have a referendum on whether to join a union with the rest of the UK.


Could the Pro-union side convince us that getting together would be better when we were told what would happen to Scotland after such a union? Some bullet points from the campaign…
-Your main Parliament will move 600 miles away, and your MPs will be in a tiny minority & will therefore have limited ability to effect policy on your behalf
-Scotland will get a government it didn’t vote for.
-All of your oil and gas revenues will be handed over to the treasury in London.
-Even though not 1 inch of track will touch Scottish soil your taxpayers will contribute £4.2bn to the HS2 project.
-Your taxpayers will also subsidise the crossrail project to the tune of £4.2bn
-The biggest nuclear weapons facility in Western Europe will be built on the river Clyde, just 30 miles from your largest city.
-Even though you only have 8.2% of the UK’s population you will contribute 9.9% of the UK’s total tax take yet will only receive 9.3% of that tax take back to spend in Scotland (you will lose £4.4bn per year to the UK treasury)
-You will devolve all of the economic levers you have used to shape your economy directly to London and will now only have control of 7% of your economy
-Even though 79% of your MP's voted against it we will privitise your publicly owned mail service
-Even though 91% of your MPs voted against the bedroom tax in your parliament, we will impose it.
-Even though 82% of your MP's believed that a VAT increase would be detrimental to your economy, we will impose a VAT increase.
-You will join a country whose health and education services are rapidly being privatised.
-Now and again you’ll get dragged into an illegal foreign war.
-An austerity budget will be imposed from London cutting jobs and threatening vital public services even though 81% of your MP's voted against the cuts.
-The financial regulation system will be so weak and so lax that your whole economy will be brought to the brink of collapse.
-The most weak and vulnerable in society, instead of getting the protection and support they deserve will be interrogated and humiliated in an effort to get them off the meagre levels of support to which they are entitled.
Who in Scotland would vote. for such a package?
Who would vote for that union?


So why would anyone vote to remain in such a union now?
This is about democratic ownership, social responsibility and the fact that Scotland on its own will be economically stronger from day one of independence....."

It's a minefield out there and we probably shouldn't start a debate on here, no mater how peaceful we are being! But I really am just genuinely interested in all the points of view. The whole thing really has gathered so much pace in the last couple of weeks and I find it fascinating :cool:

WOW! LFAB not used to discussing such serious matters with you :rotfl::rotfl:

To me, on the outside peering through the window the whole thing is balancing precariously on the currency issue. Just about, if not all of the things in that list above depend on it.

If I was of there and I was leaning towards the YES persuasion, I'd be worried about that. Ive watched every single debate and I'm totally convinced that the YES camp are convinced they can manipulate the rest of the country into sharing currency. That's not true independence. I think it has to be an all or nothing thing.

On a lighter note. I am sick of seeing Nicola Sturgeons face :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

fairclaire

scottishshortie wrote: »

I still not decided yet but here's another side I heard tonight whether any truth or not don't know
Tesco Morrison's Aldi and Lidl disagree with Asda in fact according to what I heard T's rubbished the claims and M's said there wasn't enough known to say what would happen

I might be cynical, but I think if any of the supermarkets/high street stores get an opportunity to raise prices, they will take it.

........have you ever been in M&S in Gibraltar? :eek: prime example

scottishshortie

davemorton wrote: »

John Lewis doesnt...
John Lewis Partnership chairman Sir Charlie Mayfield this morning said independence could lead to retailers increasing their costs north of the border, noting that the expenses of trading in Scotland, which are higher than in England, might no longer be absorbed.

That's the problem one lot says this going to happen then other lot says no it's not and each side just seems to be trying to get more people on their side and nobody seems to be able to agree on anything

davemorton

scottishshortie wrote: »

That's the problem one lot says this going to happen then other lot says no it's not and each side just seems to be trying to get more people on their side and nobody seems to be able to agree on anything

Agreed

And you can count your bottom dollar that a large majority involved in this are just trying to look after their own bank balances at the end of the day. (Where these banks will be based and in what currency is another matter )

scottishshortie

fairclaire wrote: »

I might be cynical, but I think if any of the supermarkets/high street stores get an opportunity to raise prices, they will take it.

........have you ever been in M&S in Gibraltar? :eek: prime example

No not cynical just realistic and I agree I remember that he price difference in Euro Disney where things were double the price

davemorton

fairclaire wrote: »

I might be cynical, but I think if any of the supermarkets/high street stores get an opportunity to raise prices, they will take it.

........have you ever been in M&S in Gibraltar? :eek: prime example

Get you with your M&S shopping, lar-de da

lookinforabargain

fairclaire wrote: »

WOW! LFAB not used to discussing such serious matters with you :rotfl::rotfl:

To me, on the outside peering through the window the whole thing is balancing precariously on the currency issue. Just about, if not all of the things in that list above depend on it.

If I was of there and I was leaning towards the YES persuasion, I'd be worried about that. Ive watched every single debate and I'm totally convinced that the YES camp are convinced they can manipulate the rest of the country into sharing currency. That's not true independence. I think it has to be an all or nothing thing.

On a lighter note. I am sick of seeing Nicola Sturgeons face :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

There is more to me than choons and darts :rotfl:

See the whole currency thing has had me bamboozled I'm not gonna lie, but I've been reading The Wee Blue Book and it would appear to disagree? I'm not sure if there is an equivalent from the Better Together campaign as I'd be interested to read that too.

Couldn't agree more about Nicola Sturgeon though :rotfl::rotfl:

scottishshortie

davemorton wrote: »

Agreed

And you can count your bottom dollar that a large majority involved in this are just trying to look after their own bank balances at the end of the day. (Where these banks will be based and in what currency is another matter )

Agreed and it's the rest of us poor souls that are trying to earn a decent wage and have a decent standard of living that have the vote