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fairclaire

mrsmac10 wrote: »

Hi, no chance to catch up up glad to see that Bubbs got home quickly. Take care and remember to rest the arm this time.

See you all in a week

Have a wonderful time mrsmac

aau1

mrsmac10 wrote: »

Hi, no chance to catch up up glad to see that Bubbs got home quickly. Take care and remember to rest the arm this time.

See you all in a week

Have a great time :wave:

lookinforabargain

fairclaire wrote: »

It's a bit scary what people 'haven't thought about' :eek:
I'm watching the debate from the hydro now.

I will admit to stumbling in about 10 minutes ago and am 20 pages behiind, so decided to read the last 2 pages and go from there :rotfl:

I started out as a No, but in recent times I've really come round to the idea of a Yes vote. I am by no means highly educated on the ins and outs, but what makes us better together? And I mean that in a genuine way. Most of the people I know are for an independent Scotland, so I am genuinely interested in other points of view from my fellow Scots that are opposed.

Whatever happens I'll still fly my :cool:

zippydooda

lookinforabargain wrote: »

I will admit to stumbling in about 10 minutes ago and am 20 pages behiind, so decided to read the last 2 pages and go from there :rotfl:

I started out as a No, but in recent times I've really come round to the idea of a Yes vote. I am by no means highly educated on the ins and outs, but what makes us better together? And I mean that in a genuine way. Most of the people I know are for an independent Scotland, so I am genuinely interested in other points of view from my fellow Scots that are opposed.

Whatever happens I'll still fly my :cool:

kiss good bye to the apg

asset2004

That is so sad about the fire, those poor, poor dogs :'(

vanilla_twist

Naebbirac wrote: »

Evening all.
So sad about the dogs. How can anyone be so cruel to poor defenceless creatures. They must have been terrified. I'll have nightmares if I keep thinking about it.:eek:
Jelly, I got a parcel today too, thanks for the link.
Bedroom cleared now, apart from the mattress on the floor. I got home from work, and the men in my family had moved all the furniture out. You have never seen such a mess in all your life. Things just shoved anywhere, no method or thought applied to the job:eek::eek::mad:I was livid, cos I'd told them I'd be home from work by 630pm to organise the move, but of course they said I hadn't said it. I most certainly did cos I knew what a male chicken up they would make of it if I left them to it:mad: I could weep at the mess that I'll be left to sort out tomorrow.:eek:
Rant over, sorry:o
Off to my mattress on the floor now.
Night all
N x

They did it because they love you and know you had a long working day today.
Most importantly I hope the decorating has survived the furniture removals.

Just think how lovely it will be with the new carpet down and a chance to finally move everything back to where it should be after months of upheavel.
V x

aau1

lookinforabargain wrote: »

I will admit to stumbling in about 10 minutes ago and am 20 pages behiind, so decided to read the last 2 pages and go from there :rotfl:

I started out as a No, but in recent times I've really come round to the idea of a Yes vote. I am by no means highly educated on the ins and outs, but what makes us better together? And I mean that in a genuine way. Most of the people I know are for an independent Scotland, so I am genuinely interested in other points of view from my fellow Scots that are opposed.

Whatever happens I'll still fly my :cool:

The price of everything will go up because it costs more to deliver up here

Taxes will go up because we'll have to pay for new embassies/passports/driving licences/armies/navy/airforce

Oil/gas supplies are finite but the SNP are blind to that

Will we still be in the EU or will we have to re-write all the laws?

All the talk of "we'll be in control of our own money and spending" seems to overlook the fact that Edinburgh (for example) let the cost of Holyrood and the trams spiral out of control. Lord knows how far in the red we'll find ourselves starting out!

fairclaire

lookinforabargain wrote: »

I will admit to stumbling in about 10 minutes ago and am 20 pages behiind, so decided to read the last 2 pages and go from there :rotfl:

I started out as a No, but in recent times I've really come round to the idea of a Yes vote. I am by no means highly educated on the ins and outs, but what makes us better together? And I mean that in a genuine way. Most of the people I know are for an independent Scotland, so I am genuinely interested in other points of view from my fellow Scots that are opposed.

Whatever happens I'll still fly my :cool:

I'm getting very emotional about it all more so than I thought I would.
For me, and I've not got the luxury of a vote.......I think a lot of the 'yes' camp are older people with old axes to grind. I saw a lot of it growing up. Maggie haters, miners strike, people being bitter about the poll tax etc. Not saying those people didn't and don't have a reason to feel that way.
I'm Scottish and I'm the first one to admit that no one holds a grudge like a scot :rotfl:

I'd vote no if I was there. I have nothing against yes voters as long as they're doing it because they believe it's what's better for the future, not as some sort of payback for the past.

*Just my opinion, as asked for. Not looking to start debates or arguments*

lookinforabargain

fairclaire wrote: »

I'm getting very emotional about it all more so than I thought I would.
For me, and I've not got the luxury of a vote.......I think a lot of the 'yes' camp are older people with old axes to grind. I saw a lot of it growing up. Maggie haters, miners strike, people being bitter about the poll tax etc. Not saying those people didn't and don't have a reason to feel that way.
I'm Scottish and I'm the first one to admit that no one holds a grudge like a scot :rotfl:

I'd vote no if I was there. I have nothing against yes voters as long as they're doing it because they believe it's what's better for the future, not as some sort of payback for the past.

*Just my opinion, as asked for. Not looking to start debates or arguments*

See I would say the opposite of that! It seems to me that a lot of the older people are the no voters. I work in an environment where I see/serve a lot of people and it's the 'older' ones that I see with their 'No Thanks' badges and the like.

What caught my attention was this -

Imagine Scotland was already independent and we were about to have a referendum on whether to join a union with the rest of the UK.


Could the Pro-union side convince us that getting together would be better when we were told what would happen to Scotland after such a union? Some bullet points from the campaign…
-Your main Parliament will move 600 miles away, and your MPs will be in a tiny minority & will therefore have limited ability to effect policy on your behalf
-Scotland will get a government it didn’t vote for.
-All of your oil and gas revenues will be handed over to the treasury in London.
-Even though not 1 inch of track will touch Scottish soil your taxpayers will contribute £4.2bn to the HS2 project.
-Your taxpayers will also subsidise the crossrail project to the tune of £4.2bn
-The biggest nuclear weapons facility in Western Europe will be built on the river Clyde, just 30 miles from your largest city.
-Even though you only have 8.2% of the UK’s population you will contribute 9.9% of the UK’s total tax take yet will only receive 9.3% of that tax take back to spend in Scotland (you will lose £4.4bn per year to the UK treasury)
-You will devolve all of the economic levers you have used to shape your economy directly to London and will now only have control of 7% of your economy
-Even though 79% of your MP's voted against it we will privitise your publicly owned mail service
-Even though 91% of your MPs voted against the bedroom tax in your parliament, we will impose it.
-Even though 82% of your MP's believed that a VAT increase would be detrimental to your economy, we will impose a VAT increase.
-You will join a country whose health and education services are rapidly being privatised.
-Now and again you’ll get dragged into an illegal foreign war.
-An austerity budget will be imposed from London cutting jobs and threatening vital public services even though 81% of your MP's voted against the cuts.
-The financial regulation system will be so weak and so lax that your whole economy will be brought to the brink of collapse.
-The most weak and vulnerable in society, instead of getting the protection and support they deserve will be interrogated and humiliated in an effort to get them off the meagre levels of support to which they are entitled.
Who in Scotland would vote. for such a package?
Who would vote for that union?


So why would anyone vote to remain in such a union now?
This is about democratic ownership, social responsibility and the fact that Scotland on its own will be economically stronger from day one of independence....."

It's a minefield out there and we probably shouldn't start a debate on here, no mater how peaceful we are being! But I really am just genuinely interested in all the points of view. The whole thing really has gathered so much pace in the last couple of weeks and I find it fascinating :cool:

lookinforabargain

aau1 wrote: »

The price of everything will go up because it costs more to deliver up here

Taxes will go up because we'll have to pay for new embassies/passports/driving licences/armies/navy/airforce

Oil/gas supplies are finite but the SNP are blind to that

Will we still be in the EU or will we have to re-write all the laws?

All the talk of "we'll be in control of our own money and spending" seems to overlook the fact that Edinburgh (for example) let the cost of Holyrood and the trams spiral out of control. Lord knows how far in the red we'll find ourselves starting out!

See this is what I like, balanced, well thought out points. Things that make you think about it.

Must admit I'm getting to the stage where I'm looking forward to it being over so it's not getting shoved in my face from both sides anymore!