stopped on double red lines at liverpool airport!

robdex1

I am a taxi driver and I was dropping somebody off at liverpool john lennon airport today. I was trying to be clever and avoid the £2 parking charge and somebody told me that if I stop just before the big roundabout and drop them there then I wouldn't have to pay. I must have driven too far past the roundabout and I stupidly stopped on the double red lines to let them out. I still had to go in the car park as I had gone too far. I didn't realise that at the time. On my way out I saw the signs saying no stopping and underneath in small print it said that they have a number plate recognition and that the fixed penalty for stopping is £100. I don't know if I will get fined but I am assuming something will come in the post. If I do get a fine is there anyway I can appeal? I know I blatantly stopped on a double red line but it was only for about 30 seconds and I didn't see any signs on my way it that there would be a penalty charge
Would I be able to appeal on the grounds that £100 is very unfair. Do I have a leg to stand on. I feel sick with the thought of having to pay £100 for a genuinely stupid mistake

Umkomaas

If you receive anything from this location it will most certainly not be a fine. It will be a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from Vehicle Control Services (VCS), which is nothing more than a speculative invoice designed to part you from you hard earned cash.

It can be appealed (do not ignore it, despite what your pals in the pub might tell you) and appealing is the way to get rid of it.

In preparation, should you receive a PCN Notice to Keeper (NtK), please read the NEWBIES sticky at the top of the page, one back from this one - it will give you a step by step guide in how to handle this.

Also use the search function on 'JLA VCS' or 'John Lennon Airport' and you will find zillions of threads where we have helped posters to avoid this charge.

HTH

robdex1

Ok thanks. Is it extremely likely that I will get a ticket? Also if I do appeal i an worried that they reject it as it was clearly double red lines. I think to charge £100 though is obscene

Redx

yes its extremely likely , yes they will reject it, yes £100 is obscene

why be worried ? it happens dozens of times a day, but those who come here and follow the well trodden path win their appeals on legal grounds and pay nothing at all

its a private pcn invoice, not operation yew tree !

easily won at popla , if dealt with correctly

all you do is deal with it the same way all the zillions of other people have done before you, as will the tens of millions that its will happen to in the future

the only person who is worried here is yourself, for no reason, the rest of us are yawning because its a subject that comes up daily on here, always with the same outcome if appealed correctly

its a private road, not a public highway , so the road rules dont apply , only local byelaws , and certainly not parking invoices as no parking occurred

Coupon-mad

robdex1 wrote: »

Ok thanks. Is it extremely likely that I will get a ticket? Also if I do appeal i an worried that they reject it as it was clearly double red lines. I think to charge £100 though is obscene

You haven't read any threads yet have you? We win at POPLA every time - Airport appeals being among the easiest of all to win.

robdex1

Coupon-mad wrote: »

You haven't read any threads yet have you? We win at POPLA every time - Airport appeals being among the easiest of all to win.

Thanks for the advice. I have read some of the other posts but there is alot of information to take in. My sitiation is slightly different as I am not the registered keeper. It is a long term rental so the letter won't be sent to me. If and when I do get the fine will someone be able to tell me exactly what to do? Should I post on this thread or start a new one

Redx

as its a lease car you need to read this https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5042923 and get the hire or leasing company to follow the BVRLA guidelines of naming the keeper so you get a pcn in your own name and then you appeal it as normal (as keeper of the vehicle)

when that happens, resurrect this thread to keep the timeline and info intact , so post again in this one

the bottom of post #1 of the newbies sticky thread deals with lease cars too , it actually TELLS YOU what to do in this case inside the paragraph there

not sure why you keep using the F - word as its not a fine, you need to lose that idea straightaway and start to use the correct terminology of you want to beat this INVOICE

bod1467

Sorry for the caps but IT'S NOT A FINE!!!!

Check your rental T&Cs. It probably talks about them paying fines and penalties then charging you (plus and admin fee). As this is NOT A FINE but a speculative invoice then them doing so would be breach of contract.

Who are you renting from?

And no - don't start a new thread - keep everything here.

Edit: SNAP to Redx

robdex1

bod1467 wrote: »

Sorry for the caps but IT'S NOT A FINE!!!!

Check your rental T&Cs. It probably talks about them paying fines and penalties then charging you (plus and admin fee). As this is NOT A FINE but a speculative invoice then them doing so would be breach of contract.

Who are you renting from?

And no - don't start a new thread - keep everything here.

Edit: SNAP to Redx

It is not an official hire company. It is a car garage that rent out cars to taxi drivers on a pay weekly basis. there is no contract or rental agreement.

bod1467

In which case, make them aware that something may come through the post to them (assuming they are the registered keeper on the V5C) from VCS or Excel, and to either pass it to you, or to write back naming you as the usual keeper of the vehicle. The key thing is to make sure they don't just pay it.

But surely there must be SOME form of contract? Sounds very under-the-counter otherwise (and may mean you're on the road illegally).

Redx

sounds illegal to me too if there is no contract

in any case, the advice is the same as the OP is NOT the RK , the hire company is , so beating about the bush doesnt change the facts that its a leased car (hire car) so the same procedures apply