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Lost to PE in Court Today: Had to happen sooner or later!
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PoPLA is a kangaroo court and part of the scam. Or do you want to argue otherwise?
I agree and have said from the start it's not fit for purpose! But an appeal there can get these scam tickets cancelled with the right wording.When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
We don't need the following to help you.
Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
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In some cases, this results in Judges awarding full costs for unreasonable behaviour. So that's another £250 on top of the claimed amount.
I would take that with a large pinch of salt, it suits their cases for something like this to be reported on fora like this. Also if this is the case why aren't parking eye stung in the same fashion when it's they with the unreasonable behaviour ?When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
We don't need the following to help you.
Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
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PoPLA is a kangaroo court and part of the scam. Or do you want to argue otherwise?
Yep quite happy to argue otherwise given that the option of ignoring the appeals process open with litigious parking companies such as Parking Eye will almost certainly give rise to the motorist receiving a court claim.
Parking Eye are closing the gap on the time between parking charges being issued -( for those that are ignoring ) and then issuing court claim forms.
Whilst POPLA is not perfect it is the appeals process currently on offer and the decision is ONLY binding on the operator.
As I said before on another thread - POPLA is far fairer and more transparent that the IPC IAS appeals system.0 -
Off the top of my head, PE issue ~700,000 fake parking fines a year, about 30% of which are paid, leaving ~500,000 unpaid, of which the number appealed to POPLA is insignificant. Assuming that they are still issuing ~1000 county court claims a week, that is only ~50,000 a year or 1 in 10 of those who refuse to pay.
A 1 in 10 chance does not equate to almost certainly. Presumably coincidentally, it just about makes it worthwhile paying £16 to make it go away.
However, that does not mean that ignoring and relying on templates is the best solution in every case, but it also does not mean that it is not the best solution in some cases. Some people will not get involved in disputes, lodge appeals, etc., and cannot or will not do the research to do anything more than rely on templates. A 1 in 10 chance (assuming the most litigious PPC at their most litigious) of losing £150 if they are taken to court and either lose or default makes more sense than folding and paying £85.0 -
The simple fact is if everyone ignore these invoices completely the whole business will fall on its face, ignore is an option providing you know all the pitfalls as well as pluses in doing so.When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
We don't need the following to help you.
Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
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Apart from anything else, I think that this OP was particularly unfortunate, given that it sounds like no breach occurred whatsoever, and that OP never had any real chance to appeal to POPLA.0
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Since most of these cases depend on signage, providing your own negates and repudiates the establishment of a contract, as the burden of risk shifts.
My VRM has a line at the bottom that states: "No contractural obligations accepted or implied". This answers any claim that being in the car park means an agreement to terms I probably was unaware of. Since my rejection has equal standing to theirs, it is up to the PPC to take issue with my modifying term and ask me to leave. Since most use ANPR, this won't happen - which is their loss.
The fact the ANPR cannot read my rejection is an irrelevance - it does not make their case any stronger. When required I respond to any PPC letters with a blow up image of the term - in some cases the begging letter chain stops, in others it runs full term but Court? Nope.
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Contractural is not a valid word, therefore your signage is meaningless.
(Contractual is what you meant)0
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