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shaun_from_Africa

As there is no UK identity card, a passport is often the only valid ID accepted by some airlines for UK citizens so what Gavin83 wrote is not misinformation.

Verity11

Thank you PolishBigSpender. Puts my mind at ease. Cheers.

PolishBigSpender

shaun_from_Africa wrote: »

As there is no UK identity card, a passport is often the only valid ID accepted by some airlines for UK citizens so what Gavin83 wrote is not misinformation.

Who said anything about UK citizens?


Gavin83 incorrectly stated that "It's worth noting that not all airlines will let you fly without a passport though. ", which is absolutely incorrect. All Airlines will let you fly with a EU/EEA/CH issued national identity card without fuss. The fact that the UK doesn't issue such a card is meaningless, as many non-UK EU citizens will fly daily on UK airlines.


As for UK citizens, for your information, residents of Gibraltar have ID cards, and Gibraltarians have an ID card that allow them to travel throughout Europe. They are British citizens too.

Verity, enjoy your trip!

George_Michael

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

As for UK citizens, for your information, residents of Gibraltar have ID cards, and Gibraltarians have an ID card that allow them to travel throughout Europe. They are British citizens too.

But as I mentioned yesterday, they will still need a passport for their initial entry into Europe.

PolishBigSpender

George_Michael wrote: »

But as I mentioned yesterday, they will still need a passport for their initial entry into Europe.

No, they will not. Why are you providing such misinformation?


The only requirement to enter Schengen as a EU/EEA/CH citizen is to present a valid travel document. ID cards within the EU/EEA/CH are valid travel documents. In fact, under Schengen law, a lack of a valid travel document is in itself not a reason to refuse entry to an EU/EEA/CH citizen.

What you're stating is simply incorrect and should be corrected immediately.

As I have made clear, even some British citizens have ID cards, such as Gibraltarians and residents of some EU countries that issue ID cards to legally resident EU citizens, such as Estonia.

George_Michael

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

The only requirement to enter Schengen as a EU/EEA/CH citizen is to present a valid travel document. ID cards within the EU/EEA/CH are valid travel documents. In fact, under Schengen law, a lack of a valid travel document is in itself not a reason to refuse entry to an EU/EEA/CH citizen.

What you're stating is simply incorrect and should be corrected immediately.

The only requirement to enter Schengen as an EU citizen is to present a valid travel document provided that your country of citizenship is a signatory to the Schengen agreement.
There are a few EU countries that did not sign up to the agreement including Ireland and the UK (which includes Gibraltar).

You can easily find hundreds of websites giving this correct information.

If you're arriving in the Schengen zone from a non-Schengen country (such as Britain, Ireland, or the United States), you'll need to go through passport control. (International airports in Europe typically have separate "Schengen" and "non-Schengen" concourses or terminal wings.) Similarly, if you're going from the Schengen zone to a non-Schengen country, you'll need to show your passport.

I fly through Paris and Malta on a very regular basis and when arriving at both airports, there are two separate areas at immigration. One for arrivals from a Schengen country and one for arrivals from a non Schengen country.
Non Schengen arrivals must have a valid passport even if they are UK or irish citizens.

PolishBigSpender

George_Michael wrote: »

The only requirement to enter Schengen as an EU citizen is to present a valid travel document provided that your country of citizenship is a signatory to the Schengen agreement.

Wrong. An ID card is acceptable to enter any EU state, which is why you'll see Croatians using their ID cards to cross the border. In fact, they could even use their ID card prior to Schengen, but it was limited to bordering EU states.

I fly through Paris and Malta on a very regular basis and when arriving at both airports, there are two separate areas at immigration. One for arrivals from a Schengen country and one for arrivals from a non Schengen country.

Frankly, you're wrong. There are one or two lines at all Schengen border crossings. One line is "all passports", the other is "EU/EEA/CH". Anyone possessing a valid travel document issued in the EU/EEA/CH (plus some others, such as Andorran) may use the EU/EEA/CH line.


There is absolutely no obligation for an EU citizen to use a passport at any EU border crossing.


http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/eu-citizen/index_en.htm

You must still show a valid ID card or passport
when travelling to or from Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Ireland, Romania and the United Kingdom.

It doesn't get clearer than that.

Non Schengen arrivals must have a valid passport even if they are UK or irish citizens.

Wrong.


https://www.timaticweb.com/cgi-bin/tim_website_client.cgi?SpecData=1&VISA=&page=visa&NA=GI&AR=00&PASSTYPES=PASS&DE=CH&user=EK&subuser=EMIRATES

As you can see here, a Gibraltar ID card is valid for entry, which means as British citizens, Gibraltarians may use their ID cards to enter Schengen.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar_identity_card#mediaviewer/File:Gibraltaridentitycardreverse.jpg

As you cansee here, it clearly states that it is valid for EU travel.


Frankly, you're speaking nonsense and should refrain from it.


Using an ID card to cross an external Schengen border by countires that haven't implemented Schengen is absolutely normal. I suggest you go to one of the many Croatian land border crossings with Slovenia or Hungary and see for yourself.

PolishBigSpender

Furthermore, I think you ought to take a good read of this article.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Union


As you can see, you can travel to and from many non-EU countries on the basis of an EU-issued ID card. Gibraltarians, as EU citizens, may do just that.

Gavin83

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

Who said anything about UK citizens?

It's a UK forum. We don't have ID cards in the UK.

I didn't know Gibraltarians had ID cards but then again I'm willing to bet the OP doesn't live there.

But if it makes you happy your right, residents of countries with ID cards can use their ID cards to travel in the EU.

Nick_C

Gavin83 wrote: »

It's a UK forum. [STRIKE]We don't have ID cards in the UK.[/STRIKE]

I didn't know Gibraltarians had ID cards but then again I'm willing to bet the OP doesn't live there.

But if it makes you happy your right, [STRIKE]residents [/STRIKE] citizens of countries with ID cards can use their ID cards to travel in the [STRIKE]EU[/STRIKE] EEA.

Corrected for you.