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I'm sorry to say that is very naive.
The biggest opposition to a YES vote is the Westminster, media run "project fear", which is trying to influence the vote by any means possible.
If Westminster wasn't involved, YES would win by a landslide.
I do not get to watch the regular debates from Scottish TV and Press but on reflection what was evident from the debate last night was that Salmond was getting a little desperate. The use of this term "Project Fear" was one sign (which you are using), quoting jokes made by others as if they were serious comment, and another was playing the man and not the ball. Trying to blame Darling for the recession was quite pathetic, but to use that as a reason for voting Yes was absurd. Then there were the quotes from a Darling speech taken out of context. Then criticisms of Darling over the way he dealt with the banks in 2008 (forgetting that he Salmond supported it at the time).
Salmond is a good debater but he is now just appealing to a flag, to a vision, to blind faith. If those committed to a Yes vote cannot see this I am amazed. If they vote for the vision alone fair enough but Salmond answered none of the difficult questions on currency and pensions.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
I would probably agree if the Flower of Scotland was a old song that dates back a few hundred years and has been used as the anthem for that time.
However, it's a recent song and only been used for this purpose in the 21st century and expresses current Scottish views.
I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one CLAPTON. I don't think the age of the song is particularly relevant. If people want to use it as a metaphor for independence, or national pride, then so be it. It isn't as if we are ever going to send an invading army to Scotland, so it can't be anything other than that. As an Englishwoman I'm not offended by it, it's more a case of "ok, whatever floats your boat".
Actually, if Hamish is around, as a non-independence minded Scot, I would be interested to hear what he thinks of it.Please stay safe in the sun and learn the A-E of melanoma: A = asymmetry, B = irregular borders, C= different colours, D= diameter, larger than 6mm, E = evolving, is your mole changing? Most moles are not cancerous, any doubts, please check next time you visit your GP.
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vivatifosi wrote: »I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one CLAPTON. I don't think the age of the song is particularly relevant. If people want to use it as a metaphor for independence, or national pride, then so be it. It isn't as if we are ever going to send an invading army to Scotland, so it can't be anything other than that. As an Englishwoman I'm not offended by it, it's more a case of "ok, whatever floats your boat".
Actually, if Hamish is around, as a non-independence minded Scot, I would be interested to hear what he thinks of it.
indeed so
I think it inconceivable that the English would, in the 21st century, choose a new anthem that celebrated Waterloo : they would want to choose something that is forward looking and relevant to the modern world.0 -
vivatifosi wrote: »I'm of the opinion that it is up to Scotland to decide Scotland's future. However one thing I will say is that I am vehemently against an independent Scotland sharing the currency on the current basis. I'm not against Scotland having its own pound, using existing banknotes, but what I won't favour is an independent Scotland in currency union with rUK. In fact it is one of the few issues I feel strong enough to go out on the street and protest against. I would be very surprised if I'm alone in this. If Scotland wants to use the pound "Panama style", then that's up to Scotland, but monetary union with an independent country, no thanks.
The trouble is that the bank of England is a UK government owned entity.
I think it's the title that gets to people.
If it was called the bank of UK then I'm sure people may see that it isn't owned by any one Country of the UK.
Scotland, along with England, Wales and Northern Ireland have all contributed to the cost and support of running the BoE.
The more I see of this, the more I realise that the UK needs Scotland sharing the currency on similar terms as the UK may go bankrupt without it.0 -
The trouble is that the bank of England is a UK government owned entity.
I think it's the title that gets to people.
If it was called the bank of UK then I'm sure people may see that it isn't owned by any one Country of the UK.
Scotland, along with England, Wales and Northern Ireland have all contributed to the cost and support of running the BoE.
The more I see of this, the more I realise that the UK needs Scotland sharing the currency on similar terms as the UK may go bankrupt without it.
good thinking: let's share the UK0 -
Not a good advert for Scottish technological know-how or contingency planning. Good luck with your independence and your new currency !!0
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We've tried that.
It seems there are a lot of people unhappy with the way things are going and want to try something different.
quite a small number actually
but if the majority of voting scots want to go then so be it, but it will probably be without a lender of last resort for their banks.0 -
The more I see of this, the more I realise that the UK needs Scotland sharing the currency on similar terms as the UK may go bankrupt without it.
I assume this is Comedy Hour? Letting an Independent Scotland share the Pound, would be like giving your 16 year old a Credit card and telling him to spend it on anything he likes!0 -
The trouble is that the bank of England is a UK government owned entity.
I think it's the title that gets to people.
If it was called the bank of UK then I'm sure people may see that it isn't owned by any one Country of the UK.
Scotland, along with England, Wales and Northern Ireland have all contributed to the cost and support of running the BoE.
The more I see of this, the more I realise that the UK needs Scotland sharing the currency on similar terms as the UK may go bankrupt without it.
Good idea. Everything can be divvied up according to the approximate notional share of the cost and support that has been borne over the years.
So you can have 8% of the M1 - perhaps the bit around Luton, and we'll have 92% of the oil.0
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