Motorbike idiot

Avoriaz

Strider590 wrote: »

...The problem though is probably that your driving a huge tall vehicle, which reduces visibility for those behind to almost zero. Where you slowed for a car, the biker probably didn't even see the car and if for example you stopped to flash a car out, then nobody behind would know why you suddenly stopped and it'd be an accident waiting to happen.

If the motorbike rider couldn't see past the Subaru in front he should have behaved accordingly.

This accident was 100% the motorbike rider's fault.

arcon5

Retrogamer wrote: »

Car drivers often drive in the middle lane of motorways when not overtaking, park on double yellow lines, drive through amber lights, break the speed limit, don't always indicate when they should, use wrong lanes at roundabouts.

Should we assume all car drivers are the same terrible drivers since most are?

No because the vast majority of motorists don't do that. Compared to bikes where it would seem 4/5 seem to act like [insert word(s) here]

marleyboy

Originally Posted by Strider590

Brake lights dont always work, especially it seems on trailers and caravans. If you drive around relying on brake lights then it won't be long before you have an accident.

WOW!!......And to think you have a licence just beggars belief.:eek::eek:

Robisere

This morning I was driving my DGD to work, behind one of the thousands of caravans that haunt our roads in the Season. Huge twin-axle 'van, medium sized car. (Rover 45) We came to a sharp LH bend which continued the main road I was following, when this Muppet decide to take the right fork onto a country road. No brake lights, no indicator. Then he did a 180° with the car & 'van, only just missing a car parked by a house. I stopped and shouted to him "Your caravan lights are not working!" "yes, I know!" he said, which totally gobsmacked me. Why would this moron take such a big vehicle combination on the road, in the knowledge that he could give no warning of his intention to manoeuvre, to following traffic? Fortunately I am used to the antics of a minority of caravanners who drive to our coastal resorts, I always give them room.

My village, and that of my DS & DD, lies on the main road to the coast. Some of the caravans hurtle through here at 60 mph and faster. We take our lives in our hands if we only need to post a letter or go to our Post Office/shop.

We also have bikers coming through, as both Mablethorpe and Skegness have Biker Days. Then there is Cadwell Park a few miles away. I have to say that the vast majority of bikers ride through our villages responsibly and at at the legal limit.

As I was on my way back today from the above incident, I counted 26 bikes coming towards me. Each one was spaced far apart and all were doing 30 mph through my village. Moral: do not judge the actions of a majority, by the irresponsible, dangerous actions of a small minority.

Arfa__

Well, as a biker myself, I'd have to agree the biker you met was being a bit daft and not riding particularly well. But we should be careful of sweeping generalisations. It was only the other week I witnessed a chap in a Chrysler Voyager pull pretty much the same stunt as the biker you described. Although this one had a shout at the car that stopped a little too suddenly for their liking, then proceeded to flee the scene. Good job I got his plate and am now currently filling in witness statements for the insurance and police.

Cyclists, bikers, car drivers, van drivers, HGV drivers, whatever. :- ultimately, some are a bit crap and do do stupid things. But it doesn't really make sense to assume all who chose the same kind of transport as being equally stupid.

Retrogamer

arcon5 wrote: »

No because the vast majority of motorists don't do that. Compared to bikes where it would seem 4/5 seem to act like [insert word(s) here]

Yeah ok then :rotfl:

How many motorists do you know that have never broke the speed limit, never forgot to indicate, never used an overtaking lane when not overtaking, never parked on double yellow lines etc?

From my travels across the UK i see all of the above dozens of times usually in a very small amount of time

Arfa__

From highway code:
"Rule 88

Manoeuvring. You should be aware of what is behind and to the sides before manoeuvring. Look behind you; use mirrors if they are fitted. When in traffic queues look out for pedestrians crossing between vehicles and vehicles emerging from junctions or changing lanes. Position yourself so that drivers in front can see you in their mirrors. Additionally, when filtering in slow-moving traffic, take care and keep your speed low."

Note the 'When' wording. Filtering is not just perfectly legal, but a normal and expected practice for all motorcyclists. The highway code merely stipulates that when filtering, care should be taken and speeds should be low.

The problem usually boils down to perception of speed. For a motorist sat in traffic at standstill, unless they're looking out for them, will see a filtering bike only a second or two and due to the close proximity deem them noisy. Both of which will they'll then interpret to be a fast moving bike, whereas in reality they're probably only doing 20mph.

When I attended a BikeSafe course with the local Met Police, I was advised to not filter at speeds more than 10-15mph faster than the adjacent traffic and not at speeds exceeding 40mph. With extra care to be taken around junctions and hatched central areas with dashed white lines.

Happychappy

We really should STOP having a go at motorcyclists !

They do an excellent job by often ending up as organ donors ; ) so come on bikers, give it large, and thank you ; )

Strider590

Arfa__ wrote: »

The problem usually boils down to perception of speed.

In fact it boils down to "queuing mentality", drivers hate bikers PURELY because they see filtering and overtaking in general as being rude, aggressive and queue jumping.
The problem bikers have is a full face helmet that hides the fact they are just another human being, with friends and a family waiting for them at home.

God forbid anyone should ever derive joy from a hobby that involves using the roads.

An old friend of mine (now a Police officer), was knocked down by a lady who opened her door into him whilst filtering. She was very adamant that she did it to stop him queue jumping and that what he was doing was illegal because it was "unfair".

nobbysn*ts

Strider590 wrote: »

In fact it boils down to "queuing mentality", drivers hate bikers PURELY because they see filtering and overtaking in general as being rude, aggressive and queue jumping.
The problem bikers have is a full face helmet that hides the fact they are just another human being, with friends and a family waiting for them at home.

God forbid anyone should ever derive joy from a hobby that involves using the roads.

You did read the op's post? Seems to hate the biker PURELY because he's stuffed his bike into the back of his truck. He probably wouldn't have minded the biker overtaking and smacking the car turning right quite as much to be honest.