Denied PIP- will I lose ESA?

rogerblack

schrodie wrote: »

It might be worth going through the relevant parts of This to see that Capita followed the rules!

Be careful - complaints against the way you were treated, and formal appeals/requests for reconsideration are different things.

Any defects in the assessment - they were rude to you, poured a bucket of custard over you, ... are quite irrelevant to your appeal - if there were no substantive errors in the assessment of your disability.

Not only do you risk muddying the waters of an appeal by bringing in irrelevant stuff, but complaints in an appeal will not be treated as complaints - they will just be skipped over.

Mrs_Ryan

The reason I am appealing is because there were enormous errors in their assessment of my disability. That is what the complaint is about. They have basically totally lied as the end report bears absolutely no resemblance to what was asked or what I told them. The DWP have also said my consultant is not medically qualified to give an opinion on my back complaint and so they regard his diagnosis as not relevant and consider I have no medical diagnosis for my 'so called back pain' (my consultant is a consultant musculoskeletal surgeon who is head of the clinic I attend. He very much is extremely qualified!) the assessor had no idea about my separate mental health conditions and lumped them all together as 'mild depression' the fact my panic disorder and PTSD were ignored is crucial as those two conditions cause me the most problems in day to day life. A specific element of the PTSD is I suspect why I got ESA support group. I am complaining because the assessor's report was so inaccurate. I wasn't treated badly, just the assessment was massively inaccurate at all stages. I know what the GP sent- I was asked to consent to the release of my records and the secretary told me they essentially just released them. This also means the DWP ignored crucial elements of my mental health conditions which would have been recorded in the records. They also said that there was no mention of my back complaint on my GP's report which I know is not the case as my GP treated me extensively before referring me to the hospital and in fact my GP pushed through an emergency referral after I fell twice at home. Like I said the complaint is because the whole thing is a total work of fiction not because the assessor was rude to me.

QuackQuackOops

sueturnersmith wrote: »

Please don't listen to comments by jlawrence. He is an habitual troll who is deliberately winding people up, and his comments are false.

I know nothing about the user you are talking about but I can tell you that the information can be shared.

Saying that his information is false as a blanket statement is false in itself.

QuackQuackOops

Mrs_Ryan wrote: »

Indie Kid is correct.
I claim ESA conts and have been placed in the Support Group however from memory there were several questions asked in the ESA form that were not asked in the PIP. One of which I don't wish to go into but I suspect was something to do with why I got placed in Support Group. My ESA was awarded without a medical. I have never claimed DLA but am going to appeal my PIP decision.
My next payment of ESA is on Thursday. I currently have about £5 to my name and if it doesn't go in I'm in real trouble. I have to ring DWP tomorrow anyway to tell them I intend to appeal my PIP decision so I might ask them then- I don't just want a shock on Thursday morning if I find an empty bank account!

So you're in support group but no pip award? Why were the same descriptors overlooked?

tomtontom

QuackQuackOops wrote: »

I know nothing about the user you are talking about but I can tell you that the information can be shared.

Saying that his information is false as a blanket statement is false in itself.

jlawrence has admitted in subsequent posts that he is a troll and was intentionally scaremongering people.

Mrs_Ryan

QuackQuackOops wrote: »

So you're in support group but no pip award? Why were the same descriptors overlooked?

Because they ignored my PTSD and lumped that, my depression, anxiety and panic disorder together as 'depression' and said it was 'very mild(it's not, I might add. I'm on a high dose of antidepressants, I was on 60mg Fluoxetine but I'm now on Citalopram. My partner who has serious long term mental health issues is on a lower dose of Citalopram than me so clearly my own GP thinks that my depression and other conditions are not 'very mild' :mad:)I protested that my PTSD is not depression and has had a specific diagnosis and one of the reasons that caused the diagnosis has an enormous affect on my daily life but the assessor didn't know about the effects it can cause so ignored it as I have said before I think that specific reason is either the reason I got support group or a large contributor.

Mrs_Ryan

well my ESA has gone in fine as normal for the correct amount so it seems all is ok.. for now. I supposedly have the 'case manager' calling me today but that's after ive been to the dr's so interesting day ahead...:mad:

QuackQuackOops

Mrs_Ryan wrote: »

Because they ignored my PTSD and lumped that, my depression, anxiety and panic disorder together as 'depression' and said it was 'very mild(it's not, I might add. I'm on a high dose of antidepressants, I was on 60mg Fluoxetine but I'm now on Citalopram. My partner who has serious long term mental health issues is on a lower dose of Citalopram than me so clearly my own GP thinks that my depression and other conditions are not 'very mild' :mad:)I protested that my PTSD is not depression and has had a specific diagnosis and one of the reasons that caused the diagnosis has an enormous affect on my daily life but the assessor didn't know about the effects it can cause so ignored it as I have said before I think that specific reason is either the reason I got support group or a large contributor.

Just to clear it up for anyone else who might be reading...
Citalopram is a mild antidepressant that is now used like 'sweeties' instead of fluoxitine (which used to be the 'Wonder Drug' but is now outdated.)

Taking a drug like citalopram does not automatically equate to severe depression as many many people are prescribed it the first time they go to their doctor as a matter of course. However, some people with severe depression might be taking it.

These drugs work differently for different people as they way they work differ. Citalopram in a small dose might work wonders for one person whereas another person it might not touch them at all. Many people cannot take citalopram as it is next to useless for them as it is a mild antidepressant.

All antidepressants work best when combined with some other kind of therapy, whether that is counselling, exercise therapy, pyschotherapy, group therapy etc.

All I can suggest you do with regards your claim is to appeal.

Stoodles

From NHS Choice and Medication - Citalopram is used for a wide range of conditions, so lets not assume that being prescribed it equates to a mild condition.

Citalopram is commonly known by the brand names Cipramil®, Ciprager®, Celica® and Seropram®. Citalopram is one of a group of medicines called Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors (SSRIs).

SSRIs are medicines that are mainly used to help to improve mood in people who are feeling low or depressed. In addition to this, citalopram is also licensed or used to help anxiety (where a lower starting dose often helps), social phobia and social anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, panic, pre-menstrual syndrome and seasonal affective disorder.

schrodie

rogerblack wrote: »

Be careful - complaints against the way you were treated, and formal appeals/requests for reconsideration are different things.

Any defects in the assessment - they were rude to you, poured a bucket of custard over you, ... are quite irrelevant to your appeal - if there were no substantive errors in the assessment of your disability.

Not only do you risk muddying the waters of an appeal by bringing in irrelevant stuff, but complaints in an appeal will not be treated as complaints - they will just be skipped over.

My reason for bringing the assessment guide to the attention of the individual was to make them cognisant as to what the process is and whether Capita followed what is laid down. As you well know claimants have to follow a very strict set of procedures as to their claim so its reasonable to expect the assessors to do likewise in terms of carrying out the claimants assessment.

If a claimant wishes to bring a complaint to the attention of Capita as to the way they were spoken to or treated then that obviously has little or no baring on any appeal against an adverse PIP decision.